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Hi there,
A great site this is, humorous and informative. The "Kiss Hank's Ass" story is a killer !
I've always thought of religious people as folks who are willing to shut down their sense of criticism in return for membership of a community, having their ass licked by a thousand angels in the afterlife, or all-too-easy peace of mind down here. Therefore, this site is a delight for the intellectually honest.
As a European, I'm only familiar with Mormons from their infamous door-to-door crap-selling. It doesn't happen that much over here, luckily. Jehovah's witnesses are by far the most common lunatics.
So I had a good laugh, but I must say that most Europeans can have a good laugh about the way Americans in general deal with religion in other aspects of life. When an American president does a speech for instance, and stately investigates the ceiling of the press room for those five last words: "... and may God bless America."
Two dumb things in one: patriotism and religion ... I think that never ever gets any less funny and stupid. Reminds me of the Pope on his balcony. If any president, prime minister or even king would ever do that here, he'd be the laughing stock and scapegoat of the entire country for weeks (except for a minority of hardcore traditional Catholics and protestants). There would be questions, complaints and cries of scandal about it, in parliament and at Supreme-Court-level. Guaranteed.
Personally, I think the reason why so many people get so easily influenced is that most people do not have a proper view of the world and the universe anymore. Science has always been attacked by religious forces, or at least they seriously clashed. It helped plummet the image of science.
I'm by no means a b&w positivist, but I am convinced that science, in the definition of Karl Popper, is the only tool available to expand our knowledge in a intellectually honest and independent way. It does not claim to have answers for everything and will always remain a human-built model, but at least it offers every human a way to try and come to similar conclusions about universal things. Its direction is kosmos, while the effect of all religions together has always been chaos.
Viva individuals,
Silver
I'm pleased when people challenge you to post their comments and you do. I was once like this guy in many respects. He caught you in a few of your inventions. Nevertheless, some replies you might consider are the following:
--Mormons used to treat blacks as if they were inferior. Some of us Mormons still do. Any claims to the contrary is mere white washing.
What is this about?
--Why do you think it's impossible for spaceships to travel between domains of different Gods? Light and charged particles successfully do so. Do you think Elohim is only God of our Galaxy, Local Group, Supercluster, or what? If lots of His brothers are also Gods, what are their domains? Where will you be God when you get to that point?
--If you don't think Gonhorra or Kakistocra are names of Mothers in Heaven, what do you think her name is? Don't tell me we don't know because it's not necessary for our salvation. The name of the brother of Jared has been revealed, and that's not necessary for our salvation either. If knowing Mother in Heaven's name isn't necessary then knowing Father in Heaven's name isn't either.
Keep up the good work.
John.
hey, loved your site.
one problem i have with Mormonism that i realized as i was on a mormon
mission (now safely home) is how Mormons are allowed to drink beer --
but they don't even know it!! In D&C 89 where it describes the godly
uses for grains.. it states that mild drinks made from grains
(paraphrasing here) are good .. i.e., beer. I'm glad god left the beer
part out of that revelation. too bad the Mormons don't know it.
> KRP wrote:
> Cool. BTW, did you write to the people you converted to apologize for
> converting them? :)
not really.. i went to the MTC and then spent 5 months in Russia.. by the
time i left, i was just getting to the point where i could actually 'make
a difference' (ruin) in someone's life with the language. I thought about
writing to a girl that we taught anyway, but she never really believed
what we told her. :)
Photo Courtesy http://www.mrm.org/photo-album.html
LINK: [1931 Version ]Thursday, February 07, 2002
Subject: Re: got a chuckle today - nowscape.com/mormon/mormcr1b.htm#Handshake_pics
Just wanted to thank you for the chuckle today. It was so funny that I told my entire e-mail list group about it. What happened is, I clicked a link on another web site and was taken to your page on the temple ceremony. At first, I was a little upset about it, as we hold the temple ceremony sacred and not to be discussed in detail outside of the walls of the temple. It was then that several things about the photos caught my eye. I had been to the temple long before the changes in April 1990 [1990 Version] and afterward, It might also interest you--or not--to know that I am a Master Mason. At any rate, you might want to know that the penalties are wrong (the positioning of the arms is quite a bit off as they were NEVER crossed during the execution of the old penalties), the tokens are wrong (wrong fingers used), and the older gentleman on the right is wearing a LADIES' apron (at least that's what the tag says on that type of apron)! Heheh. Thanks again. In context, you're a rather funny guy. :-)
P.S.: Please don't 'xpect me to tell you how it's all really done. You won't get a reply. :-)
[name withheld],
32°, K.T. Non nobis Domine, non nobis, sed Nomini tuo da gloriam.
From: Khaos
Sunday, February 17, 2002
Subject: Mormon information
Thank you for all this information. It is very strange that people would
believe all this stuff.
I think they tend to target the less educated people in general. Now they
are focusing on South America and the Pacific Islands.
They use the hook of moral and family values to bring someone in. They also
seem to have all the answers too. So long as you believe and follow. They
don't go into the weird ideas until later when the person is already deep
in.
I wish there were people going around telling the populace about the Mormon
religion to counter what the missionaries are telling them. It makes me sick
that the Mormons are going around to the impoverished, backwards countries
and create a market for their racist religion and make their tithe income
from them. It's sad what this American religion is doing. Once again the
slick con artists in their nice suits are raping the poor people of this
world and preying on their ignorance.
Why doesn't someone legislate against them? Maybe remove this tax-free
concession for religious bodies.
I am well-informed I think but even these people are past-masters at the
pushy salesmen technique when it comes down to it: how can you argue against
belief? Yes, i respect a person's belief but these Mormons patently don't.
They coerce the belief on to you. They really are the best at getting "yes"
from the "customer". They know how to make you feel bad, ignorant or sinful
if you don't go with them. If you get angry with them and tell them they
have no right to do what they're doing they politely act so smug.
Of course this reasonable outward face drops when they encounter someone who
knows about their religion, usually an ex-Mormon, then it's insults,
innuendoes and outright attacks on the person's character. Why? Because
they're on the defensive. They know the ex-Mormon has got weapons to hurt
them.
I am not a Mormon but never have been but I think people should warn others
about what they're getting into, because it seems like getting out is a big
problem. There is a big psychological fallout when somebody does: shunning
for example.
Tania.Thank you for your nice letter, Tania. Of course, Mormonism is different only in detail from other religions. Legislating against religion is probably not an idea that will work in the US, because of the separation of state and church, supposedly guaranteed by the US constitution. The state is supposed to be neural on the issue of religion. Of course, this neutrality is violated, when the sate gives tax exemptions to the church. I think your idea of taxing religious bodies is constitutional and should be done. (After all, only a fool would have a false religion.)
My friend who owns a coffee shop said 2 Mormon missionaries used to stop at his shop and goof off for hours there instead of doing their door-knocking. I remember they came on pretty strong at the campus when I went to uni. They were really fanatical and I would argue with them about creationism.
That Kiss Hank site is so accurate. They put in things like family values, not drinking caffeine to reel them in, like who doesn't agree with these things?
Everyone has a glazed look about them like cult followers do. So do other religious people, especially the born-again Christians and other
fundamentalists, but the Catholic people and the other religions less so.
It's amazing that you were a missionary, weren't you, and now you run an anti-Mormon site.
That Joseph Smith story is so absurd, it smelt fraud outright to me. It's ridiculous anyone would be taken in by this conman. But if you were born into Mormonism you are taught not to question anything.
The anti-Mormon sites gave me a good laugh actually. I am going to send the link to my friend as it is a really funny site.
Tania
March 06, 2002
Hey, just dropping a line to say that I appreciate the tremendous amount
of time that must have gone into this massive website over the years.
Links everywhere and very well edited too. It's hilarious and
informative too! You've inspired me to (try to) read the book of
mormon just so I can make sense of what you're saying in some places,
and laugh more.
Please, though, come clean: do you fabricate at least some of the
inane responses you get? Some of the mails in both the for and against
categories read like idiots or eight-year-olds wrote them. I only wish
you would put a year-received note on the dates of the e-mails you get,
that's all- just for curiosity's sake. (This one is 3/6/02, readers)
Put me down in the "loved it" category- I'm sure I'll be perusing this
site for months!
Nowscape for a webby!
-Tim
Friday, March 08, 2002
On one of the internet sites there were three pictures of JS as the church has depicted him over the years. One of them is on your website and I have printed it out. The other two show him in the evolutionary process of finally looking like the boy next door as in the LDS video '"Legacy." Do you have these other two pictures so I can show them to my sister?
From: Pagmatic
Wednesday, April 17, 2002
Subject: mormania
Hi,
Your site's great- very informative, etc. A couple fans of my comic have asked why I'm not linked on your site, and I replied with "because". So, here I am asking if you'd link my comics; and in return, I'll link you as well-- or send cookies, etc.
My comic, Those Darn Mormons is at onelesssock.com/tdm/ ;has been up here and there since 1999. It's about two gay missionaries; a werewolf; and a black elder wanna-be that doesn't wear pants (see "cast"). The current comic is in the middle of a storyline, so it may not make sense; but there are 66 animated comics to look at (made in 1999) to view (see "archives"). There, that's my story. Now I can tell those fans I contacted you.
Regards,
Mike Paglia
-----Original Message-----
From: Dave Johnson
Subject: Request for more information
Gentlemen,
I love your website!
But you have some things that I'd like sources cited. I'm currently working
on a Bible class dealing with Mormonism that I will begin at the end of the
month and would appreciate your help, please.
On your site you show a photo of stars with this text - "In late 1999,
Mormon astronomers at Brigham Young University, using the Hubble telescope,
obtained faint images of this star, which they tentatively named
Kakistocra-99b2." I have scoured the BYU website as well as other sites
looking for confirmation and/or support on this and have come up empty.
Where did you get this info?
Again - your website is one of the best I've seen on the LDS faith. Thanx
for your hard work!
DAVE :{)
Tuesday, June 04, 2002
Subject: thanks
love your site. i am an ex, looking forward to the day they find out
about my fornications and libations and cast me out thusly. keep up the
good work.
-----Original Message-----
From: Christopher Munson
Tuesday, August 06, 2002
Subject: If You Could Hie to Kolob
I reckon that leaders of many wards are anxious about what potential
converts will think if this hymn is sung in meetings--maybe that's why it
has fallen into disfavor. However, the last ward I attended before leaving
the Church had music personnel who much loved the music for this hymn,
therefore we sang it regularly enough. This is pure speculation, but I
wonder if the hymn setting currently used, which is adapted from Vaughn
Williams' Variants on Dives and Lazarus*, which may still be under
copyright, isn't there in midi format because of legal restrictions? Well,
that might work for explaining the absence of a midi file but doesn't
explain why they don't list the words there (and we already know the likely
reason for that).
*Looking at the version of the hymn you have shown on
http://nowscape.com/mormon/kolob-hi.htm I see that it uses an uninteresting
musical setting, much inferior to the current one. Anyway, I understand
that the original tune used for the current Kolob hymn setting is common to
a number of traditional folk songs, such as "The Unquiet Grave" and "Star of
the County Down," all of which have poetic, wistful and humanly-resonant
lyrics, in stark contrast to W.W. Phelps' sterile verses. I have heard a
couple of beautiful versions of these old folk songs, and these have helped
to purge the music of its mystical Mormon associations that it used to have
for me! Now I think of charming young maidens, and pining after lost love,
instead of Kolob and pseudocosmology, and believe me when I say it's a vast
improvement.
Christopher Munson
-----Original Message-----
Friday, September 13, 2002
Subject: mormons and Kolob
First of all I wanted to tell you that I am Mormon & I really like your site. If you could hie to Kolob is one of my favorite songs, although the version I'm used to is a little different. The words are the same (from what I can see) but the music is different. This song is still sung in church & to my knowledge there is no controversy about it. I have never heard any doctrine against space travel, nor do I find it unusual that some people would lip-sinq a song (I would lean more towards - dude knows he can't sing but wants to participate). This song is still found in the Mormon hymn book, there is no coverup or conspiracy. The bass line in our version is very difficult so that might be one reason it isn't one of the more common hymns sung, but I do hear it. With over 300 it's difficult to give many a lot of exposure.
Thanks & have a great day,
Brian
-----Original Message-----
Subject: tons of information!
I came across your website when I was looking to know more about the Amish... I am a Mormon and I have to congratulate you. You have worked hard. You and those who helped, have spent a lot of time on this. I have a terrible time finishing anything I start. Therefore, you have to be commended.
As to be expected, I do not agree with some of the stuff you have placed on the internet, but heck, that's the beauty of this wonderful country that God gave us, that of free speech. God Bless America!!
Y. Williams
-----Original Message-----
Subject: what the?
moon men? is this really in mormonism? my god. what the hell is this crap?
Temple Garments
"When our leaders speak, the THINKING has been done."
At 12:36 PM 1/10/2004, you wrote:
Sir -
Here is the MIDI file of If You Could Hie to Kolob. I can 100% assure you that what is here provided matches the sheet music you have on your site (and yes, it's supposed to be that slow). However, the MIDI that you have now (KOLOB_kingsfold.mid) is anything but close to that song.
I'm not a Mormon, but I do collect all kinds of religious song books (I'm up to about 130 now). I've got this song in Hymns: The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (1948). It's #257.
I'm not quite sure what the aim of your site is. It's satirical at best, poor taste at worst. Is there a disclaimer on your site that explains the site? What are you beliefs? Are you solely against Mormonism? Christianity? Religion in general? It's not quite clear.
--- Srmiller972@aol.com wrote:
My husband and I are both new converts to Mormonism. Together we were
researching more in depth, the way of life that we have chosen. To us, that is
exactly what Mormonism is- a way of life, not religion. We want to thank you
for your site. It has given us the motivation to further investigate the things
that we had not thought to question. As a result, we are so much more
determined to live our beliefs and be active in the Church of Latter Day
Saints.
Neither of us have ever been more sure of our decision.
Once again, Thank you. You will be in our prayers along with your
sympathizers.
God Bless,
Sha
Subject: Hey, has your site been hacked?
Fri, 17 Dec 2004
When I got to the page http://nowscape.com/mormon/mormons5.htm click on the link http://nowscape.com/mormon/mormons5.htm labeled translatedcorrectly.com I get sent to http://nowscape.com/mormon/mormons5_corrected.htm
This looks like a hack. The red stuff is defensive and not really correct.
Jeff
Fri, 25 Feb 2005
From: "Sherry"
Subject: Mormon burial rituals
I'd only recently heard of the burial rituals of the Mormons; could you address this topic on your site?
Sat, 26 Feb 2005
i was raised in the mormon church and was forced to go all of my life. Everything you have said in your site is true. I was always very curious and asked a lot of questions, but no one would answer me. I was told just to "have faith". What a load of crap! The day I turned 18 I left the church and never looked back. I feel sorry for the people in my family and the ignorate people that still believe in this crap! I think that you are providing a great service to everyone who reads your site. I have spent my whole life trying to get over the guilt that my "family" and "friends" have made me feel for sinning and going against the things that the mormon religion teaches. I am so glad that there is someone out there that actually has the balls to speak the truth! And my advise for any "member" of the mormon religion, RUN AWAY AS FAST AS YOU CAN! Thank you so much for your site and keep up the good work!
----Ex member and loving it!
From: "osborne1962@juno.com" <osborne1962@juno.com>
Sun, 27 Feb 2005 01:07:25 GMT
Subject: Egyptian Alphabet & Grammar
I think my website pretty much makes your's look silly, and dumb too.
You appeal to those who don't have much of a brain.
http://www.myegyptology.net/file/id3.htm
Paul O
Wed, 15 Jun 2005 16:50
Subject: Love the site
I started doing some research on the Three Nephites
and came across the web site. Nice stuff. Not exactly
what I was looking for, but a treasure trove of odds
and ends that will have me doing MUCH more research
into the LDS. Particularly interesting to me, from a
sociological point of view, is the overlap between
Mormon doctrine and the beliefs of the "ancient
astronaut" saucer cult types. So Quetzlcoatl is an
alien AND Jesus... but Jesus is an alien too from
Kolob so... yeah. Good stuff.
I also got a real kick out of the letters page.
Sometimes the only thing more fun than slaughtering
sacred cows is seeing the reaction of folks to the
bleeding beast kicking in the street. And I LOVE
seeing people quote their own beloved scripture wrong.
Jesus doesn't say "don't judge" he says "judge not
LEST YE be judged". In other words, don't dish it out
if you can't take it. Plus it's just silly to fight
about at all. Faith, by its very definition, is that
which we accept without direct evidence. Why should I
waste my time trying to convince someone of something
I believe when they are demanding direct proof that my
faith doesn't require? Conversely, atheist who get
bent out of shape over religion confuse me too. I
don't get bent out of shape over the tooth-fairy,
because I don't believe in her. Granted, I don't have
the tooth fairy shoved down my throat every day, but I
ignore it, for the benefit of the little children,
because they like believing in the tooth fairy.
So, as a professed, non-denominational christian, just
wanted to let you know not every person of faith is
offended by the site.
Peace,
Jeremy
From: "Tania Carrington" <t.carrington1@ntlworld.co.uk>
Subject: A Revelation
Tue, 30 Aug 2005
Whilst contemplating whether or not to join the Mormons having been visited frequently by two charming young men I stumbled across your site. Well it helps to have both sides of the story doesn’t it? The two young men were due back on Monday and had asked me to pray to God so that I may know that Joseph Smith was a prophet and his book is to be taken seriously. So I prayed and prayed. My husband and I have never discussed religion, his beliefs are that all religion incites war and being a soldier he therefore does not favour any form of organised religion. Well anyway I was walking to the shop having prayed for three days for some sign and stumbled upon a dove who was about to be mauled by a cat. His wing and leg appeared to be broken and he had something trapped in his beak. I brought the dove in and telephoned the animal welfare who told me they were to busy to call. I had by now promised God that if the dove lived I would see it as a sign from him that Joseph Smith was indeed a prophet. I took the dove to my own vet who explained that the bird had merely been scratched. She gave it an antibiotic shot and it seemed extremely perky once she had removed the obstruction from it’s beak. She told me that the dove had a very good chance of survival and had been extremely lucky. She then asked me if I could care for the dove while it recuperated. I replied that I could and said I would go back after a nights observation and collect it.
When I arrived home the Mormons were waiting for me. They told me I had been blessed and that God’s carrier of the Holy Ghost had crossed my path. They also told me that Christ is in all of us a fact of which I am aware having been baptised at the age of fifteen. They told me that God needed to lay his hands on me and then told me to give up smoking and dress more appropriately so I could not be guilty of inciting temptation in other men. (I was wearing Jeans and a t-shirt). They then left me a book true to the faith which basically told me how to live – even down to planning my Monday evenings. I was relating this to my husband when suddenly he erupted into a spiritual flow the like of which would have left Martin Luther King reeling.
He said to me that I was already a daughter of God, that he had placed a mark upon me the moment I had been baptised and this mark meant that Satan would send false prophets to shake my faith. He told me that the Church of Christ is in the heart of all men, that we are born with that. He asked me why I was losing faith and turning to a sect that was so pompous and controlling it even tells members when to pray and worship. He said that if I needed to be told when to pray, how to pray and when to worship then I was in fact faithless. I looked at my husband in disbelief as he had not heard a word of my earlier conversations and normally displays the typical beliefs of an atheist. He then (remember the Mormons had said this earlier) laid his hands on my head and said God has already laid his hands on you, you have felt him move in your life and the only temple is the temple in your heart. God is not sickened by your flesh, you were born naked. He then said he would never worship at a cross that had caused Christ so much suffering, just as he would not worship the crown of thorns or the spear of destiny. He said Christ died to give mankind choice because God could see that the world was set to change dramatically and that many false religions would grow in the name of Christ. So I knelt with my husband and I prayed and for the first time in my life I felt my church within. I felt peace that God loves me for all of my individuality. He accepts that I have Sin and it is those who exalt themselves that truly sicken Him. My husband explained that having never belonged to a church he bore no mark of God so Satan’s advocates always overlooked him. But he told me that every day he has his time with God and it’s not a timetable on a Monday night that is dictated by mere men. For the first time in my life I know the truth.
The following morning the vet telephoned me and told me the Dove had died she said he had been unable to swallow properly. I will not be joining the Church
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Thu, 15 Dec 2005 11:04
Subject: questions please
Dear Sir, I just read through some of your website and found it informative and entertaining. You seem knowledgeable in Mormonism and willing to talk about facts without the normal whitewash. Please could I ask a couple questions? You could answer at your convenience; just let me know where to look (I'm pretty hurt'in on the computer).
I live in Utah County and have for 8 years. I do have some very devout Mormon friends here who have accepted us for being plain good people but many have shunned knowing us, even with lots in common. We are very nice friendly non-judgmental people. Neither religion nor any interest in any, just want to be good Americans, faith to country, family and friends. The whole do unto others" thing.
How does the majority of Utah county Mormons feel about people like us living in their community? Are they allowed to be friends with us according to scripture? I know they are not to marry my children (that's hard enough) but will my kids be shunned from play as they grow?
I don't want to talk anyone out of religion. But how do I discus my issues with the culture of Utah county with my friends without them feeling like I'm attacking everything they stand for? I don't want to loose them to my questions.
BUT, I feel if I don't ask questions (if not just to learn why) then I'm condoning behavior towards fellow man that I feel is wrong according to the US constitution, basic human rights. If I ignore it or just deal with it and not ask, to me it's a chicken shit way of condoning it.
I have so many more questions but that's a start.
Thanks so much in advance.
Deluded in Utah County
Fri, 16 Dec 2005 07:43
I guess I'm an atheist. Was raised going to church every week, well forced. I even worked for a Catholic church (lay employee) for 3 years during college. To me all big religions are money makers not saviors. I see more trouble around the world because of religion than anything else, if there is a god, he's got some explaining to do.
My questions are more for my own interest. When we first moved here I thought the community thing was pretty cool, the people here reached out to us. My wife did some stuff for the relief soc, I lectured to some of the youth groups but always telling them no thanks ahead of time on the conversion stuff, thanks, but no thanks. They tried harder and I said no thanks harder until finally my great neighbor told the ward to lay off us, they're ok. Since then the hands that reached out went away, they don't say hi as we drive by, in the stores we're ignored. Now every time I hear someone say a "non-member" I get pissed. I've been pretty quiet but now I reply with "non-member by choice" I have the ability to think for myself.
It's not that I want to fit in, I don't care. It's my children, I don't want them excluded.
But this all in vain. We will be putting our [business] up for sale this year and getting out of this horrible place. Yes, and leave with a very negative image of the mormon church. I have been getting more and more angry but yesterday I read something that has changed my mind (for now). It said, "don't hate mormons, hate mormonisim, mormons are victims" That is so right. Some of my friends are in so deep they will never know what I'm saying to them, they've been brainwashed since BEFORE birth. We have friends that play tapes of mormon verbiage to their pregnant bellies. I can understand music but that! Creepy.
As for the constitution, I'm not a nut for it, it's just the best example I could give at the moment. I just would like to be in a place where people are treated somewhat evenly. I know that's impossible but at least in other places than this the intolerant are usually a bunch of idiots who don't know better. Here in Utah, even more so in UT county it's not the idiots, it's THE governing agency teaching 90 something percent of the people that garbage.
Ignorance is ALWAYS right, no matter what you say, isn't it?
Thanks again.
Deluded and Damd
From: "Thomas"
Subject: good drivel
Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2006
You have enabled great amazement in me about these Mormons. I cannot believe
so many have lobotomized themselves, and that there have not been more
deaths within their ranks from laughing to death at their own ordinances. If
I did not know better, I would think you made it all up. Good work guys.
Ever look at the other cults?
Thomas
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2006 13:46:24 -0700
Subject: Where did you find this information?
I have lived in Utah for 6 or 7 years... I do not remember exactly because I vowed never to return!
I found your site from Wikipedia.org and I look around a bit... where did you amass such information? The pictures and all the inside the temple stuff!
So what is with the "moon-men"? Where are you getting these references? Can I find the journals in a book store or order them from a Mormon site?
I am not sure how to go about this Mormon investigation, I want to make sure I have the correct info, WIKIPEDIA lists you as a site that makes fun of Mormons? If you are a source of information to be trusted then why would you be listed as a Humorous link? And why do I not see anything that collaborates your findings on Wikipedia?
Please help me understand...
Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 16:40:17 -0700 (PDT)
In WA there were a lot of LDS mormons around, and I couldn't figure out why one of those younger ones wouldn't leave me the hell alone, any time I went outside, there they'd be, I'd offer them a coke and cigarette to try to get them to go away and they wouldn't (I figured it'd be like mormon krytonite haha) after reading this it's like I've seen the light, they were just trying to avoid strokin' one out! I hate to think that I was taken in the place of a good ol' fashioned wanking....kinda makes me feel dirty in a way......but anyways found you on best of craigslist http://www.craigslist.org/ lol.
At 03:09 PM 4/17/2007
Subject: Thank you
My friend, your website rocks, I wanted to thank you for all the hard work you have put into this, I have been studying and looking into the hypocrisy and ignorance of the Mormon CULT and all religions for the past 10 years or so, you see unfortunately I have made the terrible mistake of having a child with a Mormon mother, I have fought her and won custody of my child, but trying to defend his mind from being pounded full of ignorant bullshit will not end as soon. We have been to court 4 times in 11 years and each time it is like I am going up against the Mormon alliance, they pay for her attorneys, and in a family court I am not allowed to even mention anything about her being a member of a religious cult.
I read once you referring to yourself as lazy, well my friend that may be the only thing I have read of yours that I do disagree with, this I know takes an enormous amount of time and effort, I thought I knew all the crazy shit there was to know about Mormons, but you have definitely taught me a few things and the pictures and cross references you have provided are great. I applaud you my friend thank you.
At 03:10 PM 5/12/2007, you wrote:
You have a wonderful explanation of the history of racism w/r/t the LDS, but then you have a “jive” version of the masturbation instructions. I’m not sure how offended, if at all, I should be about it, but I think that your site would be better served without it.
Cheers!
Beth
At 10:43 AM 5/13/2007, you wrote:
Here's my fear. I'm making an assumption here, and it could be wrong. My bet
is that most of the people that frequent your site are exmos or at least
live where they aren't exposed to many blacks. And given the history of
racism of the LDS church, and that mindset that I think probably still
exists with a bunch of its members, I think this attempt at humor could hurt
more than help or been seen plainly as an attempt at humor. I'd hate for
people to be like, "Yup. Those Negroes sure are stupid."
I'll leave you alone now. It would be cool to see a page about the Indian
Student Placement Program. I know someone who was royally fucked up by it.
Beth
From: "Gardiner Moody" <kanos_pon@hotmail.com>
Subject: Update
Date: Fri, 18 May 2007
Hello, I was searching Google for my own name and I came across an old email I sent to you a few years back. I just wanted to let you know that since that email, I've become an atheist and I've discredited, publicly, my faith in Mormonism.I've become an outspoken community leader for Atheist action, and one of the most recognizable critics of Christianity and religion in general in my county.
I receive hate mail on a daily basis and I've even had death threats.
Anyway, I hope you'd put this as an afterthought after my previous email. [2005]
Gardiner Moody
Update: Gardiner's NEXT emails [2009]
From: "Kathy" <***@earthlink.net>
Subject: ++ Nephite Sighting Report ++
Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2007 21:40:16
I just happened upon your site.... It is GREAT.... I haven't laughed this much in weeks.
Keep up the good work
Kay C.
From: ScariNr1@aol.com
Subject: search google images: I'm mormon
Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007
I am not Mormon, but, raised as a gentile in Idaho I have intimate experience
with what Mormons can do in the name of faith. As a gentile, I was
constantly made aware of my cursed lot.
Thank you for helping to flesh out this mystical perception of reality. I
have linked to your site as a main-source for the niggling details of that
leap of faith.
I have images on my site that may interest you. Try google image search:
mormon money, mormon sphinx, I'm mormon.
That will take you to pages that will, possibly give you some satisfaction.
My take is satire but with that painful irony that presses to the persistence
of doubt.
I hope your traffic is improve by my links. You are welcome to link to
Scari.Org as well
Again thanks.
Criticism: You could update some of your pages with better images and layout.
Gus
Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2007
Hi! I was looking at your site, http://nowscape.com/mormon/kolob-hi.htm, and noticed the reference to the Kingsfold tune. This a hymn tune that is attributed to Ralph Vaughn Williams ca. 1906. I think it is an English folk tune he discovered. It can be found in the Hymnal 1982 from the Episcopal Church and I am sure other churches use the tune in their hymnals.
Thanks for the great site,
Ed
Your response misrepresents his tithing comment and ignc1res a key doctrine of the LOS Church.
You call [the writer] misinformed" for saying that Mitt Romney "must" pay tithing, But [the writer] wrote only that Romney, as a "good" Mormon, must pay tithing. Latter-day Saints commonly view a "good" Mormon as one who is worthy of a temple recommend. No Mormon can have a temple recommend unless he is committed to paying a full tithing. Therefore, [the writer's] comment is correct.
You say "Mormons do not tell others that they will not fare well in the afterlife unless they join" the LDS Church. This is a half-truth because it fails to mention a key LOS doctrine; namely, that only members of the LDS Church can achieve the highest order of heaven, the celestial kingdom.
It's best not to cut comers in defending the church.Response to This letter to the editor in the Deseret News, Dec 10, 2007
Agnostic Person 12:16 p.m. Dec. 13, 2007
I can't argue with pure logic that [the writer] brings to our attention. I am an agnostic and throughout my life, I have had people from various religions try to convert me to their faith. Their religious doctrine varies somewhat from religion to religion and each individual will mention that his/her faith is either somewhat more truthful than other religions or that his/her faith is the only true religion. This odd behavior from religious people is what prevents me from converting to their various religions.
Robert Kirby
Tribune columnist
Article Last Updated: 12/14/2007
Huckabee posed the question: "Don't Mormons believe that Jesus and the devil are brothers?"
The question was perceived by some as an opportunity to hold an element of Mormon theology up for ridicule. As a Mormon, I wasn't bothered because, well, it's true.
It gets weirder. Not only is Satan our brother as well, he looks exactly like KSL meteorologist Kevin Eubank, only redder.
OK, I made that part up. But Mormons do believe a lot of things that seem pretty strange, if not downright crazy.
So do you.
Imagine that the average presidential candidate rings your doorbell tomorrow. Male, affluent and not visibly deranged, the candidate offers some really cool ideas about running t he country. He wants your vote.
Before you can answer, the candidate casually mentions that the driving force in his life is a profound belief in a cosmic walrus that sets the world spinning each new day with the force of its benevolent flatulence.
As the average American voter (Christian), your response would be laughter followed by incredulity. In parts of the country, you might even be legally entitled to assault the candidate.
After all, the real god is a shape-shifting entity, born of a virgin, who cured blindness with spit and busted out of his tomb after being lynched - a god you periodically honor by ritualistically eating him so that he won't kill you when he comes back.
Well, that wasn't really fair, was it? I hope not. Since when did religious belief ever have anything to do with fair?
Muslim, Pagan, Christian, Jew, Buddhist - one of the great ironies of all spiritual belief is that cold, brutal logic should be applied to every version but yours.
If you're Hindu, for example, you might find the idea of Christian communion ludicrous. Why would anyone even pretend to eat a god? Conversely, Christians find the notion of God having the head of an elephant completely ridiculous. Extra arms? Ha! We don't even want to talk about one with multiple sex organs.
What's going on here isn't real logic. It's not even insight. It's simply comparing your beliefs against those of others and egotistically concluding that you are the only one who can't be dismissed as an idiot.
Incidentally, this is a human condition that affects secularists as well. The absence of religion doesn't make people moral anymore than its presence guarantees morality.
Is religious belief bad? It damn sure can be. People are certainly bad when they become contemptuous of others, and rel igion far too often provides us with the place to do just that.
rkirby@sltrib.com
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