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It's Happening again... The Woonsocket Cross Controversy

The Woonsocket Call reported April 23 2012 that the city is exploring its options. I have no intention of removing the cross under any circumstances, the newspaper quoted Mayor Fontaine saying.

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RI House Bill 8143
Utah's UHP Christian Crosses Case - update
State of Utah pays ~ $400,000 to Settle UHP Crosses Case

To donate to KEEP the Woonsocket memorial please mail your donation to:
Woonsocket War Memorial Defense and Preservation Fund, PO Box B, Woonsocket, RI 02895

THE CALL
Blackstone Valley Neighborhood Newspaper

May 29, 2012 Woonsocket remembers its heroes
May 29, 2012 State takes over city finances
May 27, 2012 City to state: HELP!
May 27, 2012 Robert Allard Pepin Lumber / Richard Fagnant Woonsocket Cross
It gives me great pleasure and pride to say I once lived in Woonsocket & vicinity, after hearing and reading of all the good people back there who are standing up and being counted for their religious belief's. Congratulations are in order for the Pepin Lumber Co. family for their mass-production of christian crosses for the legal defense fund. Congratulations are also in order for Richard Fagnant For the production of T shirts for this cause, and his effort to aid the defense fund. I have a suggestion that may save Woonsocket and residents a lot of headaches as well as cash. As follows: The City of Woonsocket could possibly donate that portion of land that the cross is displayed on, to a church, or sell it for one dollar, therefor it would no longer be considered public property. Thank you, God bless you all & GOD BLESS AMERICA.
May 27, 2012 GodVlogger ILLEGAL cross will cost LOTS of money
$15,000 is merely a drop in the bucket of what it will cost to defend the ILLEGAL cross.

These cases cost hundreds of thousands of dollars, sometimes into the low millions of dollars depending how far you hang in there, only to end up paying not only your own legal fees but ALSO the fees of the atheist group that wins the lawsuit against you.

Meanwhile, the groups that promise money or free legal help often end up bailing out once it gets to court and they realize that they can not win a case of defending something that is illegal.

The town can run all the bake sales it wants to raise a few pennies here and there, but in the end the WISE thing to do will be to find a way to move the cross to a respectable and even more prominent location (saves face for the town) that is NOT on government property (thus it will no longer be illegal and the town will not waste the money).

May 27, 2012 GodVlogge Move the cross, using the $15,000
While $15,000 will not pay even 10-percent of the cost of the lawsuit to defend the illegal cross.....

$15,000 would be LOTS of money to spend on a beautiful display of the cross on some non-government property.

Damn, for $15,000 it could be the best, most amazing display in Rhode Island....

OR... instead you could waste the money (and about a half-million dollars more) trying to defend the illegal cross, only to lose in the end.

Will the local politicians be brave enough to do what is correct and fiscally responsible for their city, or will they cave in to all the hoopla and religious fervor while taking their city finances further down the tubes???

~~ GodVlogger (on YouTube)

May 24, 2012 by Chris Allen Woonsocket will need a lot more money to take this to court. Utah just lost its case to keep its memorial cross monuments on public property. The U.S. Supreme court ordered the crosses removed and ordered Utah to pay nearly $400,000 in court costs. See http://tinyurl.com/77r9qxq. Even if Woonsocket gets "free" legal support from the Liberty Counsel or the ACLJ, those organizations will not pay those assessed court costs if Woonsocket loses.
May 3, 2012 bigpouliot Saying a prayer before the city councel meeting
The people who rallied yesterday are the same people who would rally if there was a monument that had a budist, muslim, hindu or any other religions icon. There would be outrage. I also have a problem with saying a prayer before the city councel meeting. If i request a jewish or muslim prayer before the city council meeting, would I get it. Absolutely not. You either include all or none. Just because the majority is Cristian, doesn't meen that everyone is. The constitution says seperation of church and state. It is about time that is enforced.

...The Murray City Council Prayer - Utah

May 3, 2012 Snoopys Woodstock The cross stands for love. How can love be illegal and disrespectful?
May 2, 2012 RUSS OLIVO Hundreds rally in defense of memorial
May 2, 2012 by The Chorus 2010 Salazar vs. Buono
(Wikipedia: Salazar v. Buono, 559 U.S. ___ (2010) was a decision by the Supreme Court of the United States regarding the establishment clause of the First Amendment to the United States Constitution. The case concerned the legality of the Mojave Memorial Cross, a Latin cross which was placed atop a prominent rock outcropping, by the VFW foundation, in 1934 to honor war dead. The Supreme Court ruled that the cross may stay, but also sent the case back to a lower court, making the issue currently unresolved. [Washington Post])
May 2, 2012 Ruth1940 History and Civics Lessons Badly Needed
A cross has never been a symbol for the United States of America or for veterans. People of all religions and none (such as Pat Tillman) have served (and died for) our country. To have put the cross up in the first place was likely simply ignorant, but to insist on keeping it after being advised is unconscionable.

It is reasonable to believe that some Jewish Americans think of the centuries of Christian ant-Semitism when they see crosses and that Muslims would be reminded of the Crusades.

Apparently many in this town are unaware of the war heros of religions different from theirs. Or are they unaware of the history of the cross in connection with Christianity? Surely they have better uses of their money than to fight this.

Religionists just love to spread the myth that there are no atheists in foxholes (much as they like to spread their myths about gods) Some other atheists in foxholes: Militaryatheists.org

May 1, 2012
RUSS OLIVO
Michigan man visits City Hall to give fund $1,000
May 24, 2012
Chris Allen
$15,000 to defend cross monument
May 11, 2012

The city of Woonsocket has raised $15,000 for a fund established to defend against a potential lawsuit over a monument topped with a cross that has drawn a complaint from an atheist group.  Mayor Leo Fontaine said this week that donations have been coming in from around the country. A local lumber company that's been making and selling Latin Crosses... [continued]  [more]


They seem to be no Einsteins, there, in Woonsocket --
contrary to their implication in this video from the
Humanists of Rhode Island.
Seeing this video makes me feel that
The Russians Are Coming, The Russians Are Coming, The Russians Are Coming!


CHRIS  ALLEN

From Chris Allen
In case you don't already know, our recent victory in Utah in the Highway Patrol Cross case makes a great precedent to point out to R.I. I heard your discussion on the radio, and this case is very similar. You're even getting the same rationalizations back that we got.

In Utah the Highway Patrol Association started erecting 12 foot steel crosses on public property with the UHP logo on them to memorialize troopers who died in the line of duty. They argued that the crosses were not religious, just traditional memorials.

We won in a strong decision from the Tenth Circuit Appeals Court, and the U.S. Supreme Court denied certiorari. The Supreme Court met three times to consider it, and Clarence Thomas wrote a dissent to the denial. The list of briefs filed against us is a virtual Who's Who of the religious right. All the crosses on public property have now been removed to private property, and the UHP logo has been removed as ordered.

It's all collected and listed at: Atheists.org/content/steel-crosses-utah-highways, including legal briefs on both sides, news articles, and some speeches.

I Hope this helps you to persuade the mayor of Woonsocket ( FFRF.org/news/releases/ffrf-contests-more-Rhode-island-religion/) to remove his cross.


 


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