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One of the teams I did find extremely genuine and their site worth looking at was here: http://nowscape.com/blk/roul/index.html
These guys are extremely interesting and genuine for me, the
guys that have closely obtained similar results to myself, there is others on
their site discussing similar projects.
These are the good guys with genuine research and products.
You will find their data and correspondence most interesting with fellow like
minded people, including myself way back in 2002 with a post on their site.
I really admire this team, they had little in the way of technological advances
in the field of mobile portable computing and so was limited to what they could
achieve, but they achieved a substantial amount of excellent results similar to
mine. These guys are at the top of the list for me in roulette prediction
development for they exceeded where others would have failed with technology at
that time. http://roulettecomputers.info/nowscape/comment-page-1#comment-4343
Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2001
Subject: Question
Dear Sirs! Hi!
Predicting roulette is of great interest to me. I have looked through your data
shown on the web-site.
Of course there are many questions about what you did but first determining
question is :
It seems that errors according to timing of ball or rotor by means of switching
timer are too big (too big
to have enough advantage) because of variable delays of human reaction (time
between an event happens and
human hand switches timer ) .How did you take into account the errors according
to unperfection of human
reaction during timing?
Thanx in advance.
We did not do anything about errors due to human reaction time. We realized this
problem. I suppose some help could have been had by trying to adjust the errors
by the program. We did get a fairly straight line, however, when timing a
constantly rotating object; this made us think that the error introduced due to
reaction time was not too great. We even worked on a device which could sense
the rotation via photo sensitive diodes (built into eyeglasses, but we did not
develop this.
Thank you for writing, Dimtry
Are you in Russia? I was
in Russia last week!
Link
Buran -
Strar City - Space
-- NOWSCAPE
Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2001
Subject: RE: Question
Great!!!!
Yes I am in Russia. It is an interesting fact that I have the same idea about
using photodiodes.
If you don't object I would collaborate on the subject with you with great
pleasure.
I also would be glad to meet with you when you are in Russia.
I only wonder why you have left such a perfect idea of
earning money by predicting roulette?
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Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2001
Subject: RE: Question
Importance: High
Hi, Dimtry
I haven't worked on this project for probably 15 years or so. At that time, I
would have given an arm and a leg to have the small TV cameras which exists now
and computers with megabytes of memory, for image processing. Where do you live?
I juts returned from Moscow Last week and I was there in October, also Sankt
Petersburg.
-- NOWSCAPE
Sent: Friday, May 04, 2001
Subject: From Dimtry about roulette
NOWSCAPE!
It is Dimtry from Russia again.
Let me ask you some questions.
I need to understand exactly what means 'touch down
time' in your data.
Is it the time when the ball at first time hit the
rotor after leaving the upper track of the stator and
reflecting from "diamonds" on the stator (is it the
first touch on the rotor)?
---YES
Or is it the time when the ball entered the winning
pocket and stopped there waiting for a dealer to stop
the rotating rotor to claim the winning number?
---NO
Did you time the touchdown moment by reacting to
sound of the ball hitting the rotor or how?
--- BY sound and by sight.
Further, Is the target slot a slot (pocket) onto
which the ball hits when it falls from upper track and
have been reflected from diamonds (that is it is the
place where the ball at first touches the rotor)?
--- If no reflection target slot is the one it landed in. I f reflection, target
slot is the one the ball "would have landed in", if no reflection had occurred
--- by estimation.
Did you analyze the motion of the ball from the
time it left the upper track on the stator until it
crossed from the stator to the rotor?
--- NO. We analyzed "skip", the +/- distance (in units of pockets, or slots), that
the ball landed in, from the target. I think there is a graph of that on the
net.
Does this always take the same amount of time?
How may this time vary?
-- I think so, roughly, I don't remember.
Sorry for so many questions:)
Also, if it is not difficult for you, could you send
me more data for analysis.
--- you have all of our data already, sorry.
Thank you very much.
Sent: Wednesday, May
To: nowscape
Subject: From Dimtry about roulette
NOWSCAPE, hi!
It is [**] again.
Excuse me for frequent disturbing you.
I have taken a look at Nathans patent you denoted at
your site. It is rather different project isn't it?
That is Nathans patent have nothing to do with your
project, is it true?
---YES, TRUE
If so, what do you think about his view on the
problem?
---I DON'T KNOW
By the way, I have found that in Russian casinos,
dealers change direction of ball after each spin (that
is one in clockwise direction, the next one in the
counter clockwise direction)? If American casinos have
the same feature then did you take it into account in
your project?
Thank you
Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2001
Subject: RE: From Dimtry about roulette
Importance: High
Dimtry --
I doubt that the direction of makes much difference, especially on a wheel in
which 50% of ball travel is in both directions. In US, I have only see the ball
spun in the clockwise direction, but there is nothing that obligates the casino
to always spin the ball ion the same direction. It would be interesting to see
data comparing the two directions. My friend who worked on this project also
says that Nathan's' patent will not work -- that there is some flaw in Nathan's
logic. We have had many discussions over this, and I never believed that
Nathan's scheme will not work. But my friend is very smart, and so I will have
to make some allowance in my judgment. I often thought that Timing only ONE
event would work as well as timing the ball and wheel (rotor) separately. That
event is the instance in which the -0- or -00- on the rotor passes the ball,
going in the opposite direction. This is similar to planetary motion, in which
the more central planet overtakes a planet orbiting further out in space. If the
near planet obstructs the view (as seen from the sun) of the farther planet.
this, I believe would be called, in astronomical terms an occultation. That's
what we called it, the Occultation method. I looked into his once and derived
the formula... It is something like B*W / B+W; Correct me if I'm wrong. I've
also considered another method, but we did not implement it. That was to do a
simulation of rotating objects in the computer, with a control, that would speed
up or slow down the rotating "objects", in synchrony with the real world.
Perhaps audio feedback could be provided to signal that's happening with the
relation of simulated rotation and with the outside. At some point, control
would be relinquished to the computer, and it would carry out its simulation at
lightning speed, in advance of the real world outcome. If you try this and if it
works, you owe me 2 percent... that is if you haven't already thought of it or
rejected it :)
BTW, I was in a casino in Sankt Petersburg in October. I paid little attention to
roulette, so I did not notice the changing of direction, but it seems to me that
this would have stood out like a sore thumb, to me. I did loose $60 on BJ --
they only deal 1/2 way down the shoe. I couldn't believe it!
Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2001
Subject: RE: From Dimtry about roulette
NOWSCAPE!
Thanx for quick answering!
I suspect your friend is right that Nathan's logic is
wrong. The moment of falling of the ball from the
upper track down the rotor is determined only by the
velocity of the ball relative to the stator (the
velocity at which the ball drops from the upper track
is constant and is determined ideally by the friction
force between ball and track, diameter of track, slope
of track) but not by the velocity relative to the
rotor (rotor has nothing to do with the drop-off
moment)! If I am wrong, correct me.
As for the method proposed by you, unfortunately I
have not understood the idea completely. I just wanted
to use 3d max studio for simulating the process of
rotating of the ball and reflecting from "diamonds"
but have chosen to purchase a real wheel as less
expensive (in time terms) variant.
If it is not difficult for you please explain in
details your method?
As for St. Petersburg casinos I recommend "Alladin"
penetration up to 90%, early surrender (but they hate
counters :)). In general, penetration 60-65% is common
in Russia but I play only in games with ES vs Ace and
Tens.
Thank you very much
Dimtry
Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2001
Subject: RE: From Dimtry about roulette
Importance: High
I think you are right, on that account. The time to drop from the rim is
constant, and thus can be always be added into the calculation of the (predicted
)time at which it will drop from orbit.
I don't know 3d max studio. When we did our work, we ignored the effect of
diamonds, since their effect seemed to be more or less a random perturbation of
the trajectory. See www.nowscape.com/blk/roul/skip.htm .
My friend's objection to Nathan's 1979 US Patent 4,357,659: betting calculator
-- was not based on the problem you mention, as I recall. It was something else.
I'll forward this correspondence to him, perhaps he will see fit to reply.
Do you have a casino-size, standard wheel? We purchased ours in Reno, Nevada
circa 1994 for $3000. It turned out to be quite biased, favoring one segment of
the circumference. It's the one pictured on the web pages.
What is ES vs. Ace and Tens? My Russian casino experience aw quite an
experience, as they say. The building did not look like my image of a casino,
from the outside. Inside, I had to go through a metal detector. The place was
half casino and half disco, separated. At first the young man guard at the
casino entrance, inside, would not let me in because he said I had "sport
shoes". I had a girlfriend withy me. I feigned indignation and acted as if we
were going to leave -- she did not want to -- and the boss came and he let us
in. I guess casinos in Russia are for high-class people only, which I am
obviously not.
90% penetration sounds quite good, this might almost make it worthwhile to visit
St. Petersburg (and Olga again:). (I used to have (almost) free travel
on Delta Airlines, but that has now stopped, I'd have to pay for the trip out of
my own pocket.) I have forgotten where you live, Dimtry, tell me again, if you
write back, eh?
My simulation method was never developed in detail. It's a simulation of
rotation, in real time, parallel to the (ball and wheel motion of) actual
roulette game. at the time, during play. When an answer is desired, the
simulation is allowed do run at the fastest speed the computer can run it,
yielding a prediction ahead of the actual outcome.
Another method I tried -- using only one rotating object, a horizontally mounted
bicycle wheel -- was to write a program which, without knowing physics, would
predict when the wheel would come to rest, given an arbitrary initial push...
This program ran on the same machine as the black jack computer. The idea was
simply to map rotational speeds to predicted stopping time, and to extrapolate
in case of "not enough previous data". One day I will have to post that on the
net. My friend pointed out that the results I showed to him were no better than
chance, and I suppose he may have been right. At the time it looked to me like I
was on to something.
If physics fails in predicting roulette, I suspect that neural net programs
might do better. IN the back of my mind, I've had a plan to try to fit the data
I have into a neural net scenario. I have tried, unsuccessfully, to do this,
with various free demo neural net program on the internet, about a year ago.
Perhaps it is soon time to try this again, with easier to use software. If you
know about neural networks, think about this, sometime and let me know what you
thought :)
Best wishes,
-- NOWSCAPE
Sent: Monday, July 23, 2001
Subject: From Dimtry about roulette
Hallo NOWSCAPE!
It is Dimtry again.
How are you?
For two month we have advanced a little!
We bought a good restored wheel. It seems not to have
a preferred sector.
It is very hot in [Moscow] this summer.
Every weekend I am tickering with the wheel collecting
data and process them on my computer.
I finally have received the book "Eudaemonic pie". I
was pleased to see they had the same ideas I worked
out myself before reading the book! Although, it have
rosen many questions. I think you read it, didn't you?
It claims, for example, that beside friction forces,
wind resistance alone is mainly responsible for the
ball slowing down. On my calculations, the wind
resistance or drug force invests only from 6%(at high
speeds) to 0.7%(before falling off) to overall slowing
down. What do you think about it? Did you take it into
account in your algorithm? Also they considered the
tilt very important. I don't know how to implement
it, although it may be important. Did you think about
it? How could they determine weither a particular
wheel was tilted? Or I don't quite understand how they
could setup all the parameters in 15 min before play?
Have you ever intercoursed with the Eudaemonians?
Thank you.
Sent: Friday, May 04, 2001
Subject: From Dimtry about roulette
It is Dimtry from [Moscau] again.
Let me ask you some questions.
I need to understand exactly what means 'touch down
time' in your data.
Is it the time when the ball at first time hit the
rotor after leaving the upper track of the stator and
reflecting from "diamonds" on the stator (is it the
first touch on the rotor)?
Or is it the time when the ball entered the winning
pocket and stopped there waiting for a dealer to stop
the rotating rotor to claim the wining number?
Did you time the touchdown moment by reacting to
sound of the ball hitting the rotor or how?
Further, Is the target slot a slot (pocket) onto
which the ball hits when it falls from upper track and
have been reflected from diamonds (that is it is the
place where the ball at first touches the rotor)?
Did you analyze the motion of the ball from the
time it left the upper track on the stator until it
crossed from the stator to the rotor?
Does this always take the same amount of time?
How may this time vary?
Sorry for so many questions:)
Also, if it is not difficult for you, could you send
me more data for analysis.
Thank you very much.
Sent: Friday, May 18, 2001
Subject: RE: From Dimtry about roulette
NOWSCAPE, Hi!
Every Russian casino has metal detectors and most of
them prefer to let in well-dressed rich people, so you
should not be surprised at that occasion.
ES - early surrender. It is much more player favorable
than Late surrender. But most casino manangers want to
have unexperienced players and they are afraid of pros
so if you win a large sum (even by luck) or constantly
win they will ban you not depending of either you are
a counter or not.
I am going to purchase a wheel but don't know what to
prefer: to buy a second hand wheel or buy a new wheel?
If it is indifferent than of course it is preferable
to buy the second hand one for less money.
As for the method proposed by your, Do you imagine how
you can realize simulation staying in casino (you
should use your hands for operating the simulation and
it is very disclosing)?
As for neural networks, we have some good cracked
software. A friend of mine used it for stock market. I
never paid much attention to that. If the physic fails
then I have opportunities to try networks.
I live in [Moscau] but periodically go to St. Petersburg to
play in local casinos.
Good Luck
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Sent: Monday, August 06, 2001
Subject: Re: have you seen this?
NOWSCAPE Hi!
I have looked at the roulette. I think it might be
easier to conduct data taking with less heat on that
roulette especially if it is located in a small gaming hall (which is usually
stuffed with slots and vide poker machines). Last weekend I spent doing video
experiments with my wheel( my wife's starting to boil:) because the room is
getting like a laboratory). How did you describe the ball trajectory after the
fall-off moment in your algorithm? I found that after falling off the side wall
of the stator (where it is orbiting) the ball always hit first one of the four
vertical diamonds and never hit first the horizontal ones. That is, after being
deflected from the first vertical diamond encountered, the ball may hit the next
horizontal diamond or hit the side wall of the stator or go right to the rotor
or anything else he likes :).
Was it true with your wheel? I ask this because I want
to clear if this phenomena is true for all roulettes.
If you don't remember maybe NOWSCAPE-2 can recall it.
I am now fighting the most difficult part of the ball
trajectory: the path from the fall-off moment when it
loses contact with the side wall of the stator until
it hits the rotor.
I'd like you to answer these questions very much!
Thank you
 Pondering the curves - analysis on the Apple II. |
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Sent: Monday, August 06
Importance: High
Dimitry --
What you describe is very similar to our observation. I cannot tell you 100%
exactly now, but your description seems correct. I think that the following may
be true: Whether the ball reflects from diamonds or not, almost zero energy is
lost, in most of the collision and the speed of motion of the ball toward the
center will be roughly the same (although it will be offset somewhat in the
tangential direction). The way I remember it, is that we ignored the ending
sequences of ball motion. We did not study it as carefully as you did. I would
be interested in seeing some pictures, if you have them and, with your
permission, of course, I'd put them on the web site. But perhaps it is too early
for you to give up your hard earned secrets. :) We thought that given the
knowledge of where the ball WOULD land, if there are no deflectors (or
separators between pockets), that would be enough. I still think so.
How are you timing the ball and wheel? Manually? What kind of computer do you
plan to use in actual play? What computer language do you use to program the
machine? Have you considered simulating (via training) the motion of the ball
and wheel, instead of brute-force predicting the outcome via formulas involving
second-degree polynomials? (We did not do this.) Perhaps you are using a neural
net. I'm sorry, I forgot what you said, and my previous email from you is on my
old computer -- I have not yet migrated old email to this new machine.
I recently got roulette related email correspondence from a silly person in
Slovenia, if you want to see it, I'll send it. Keep a spot for me In Moscow -- I
may still be able to come.
To your continued success,
-- NOWSCAPE
Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001
Subject: I wish it were just nightmare
First I saw s&p500 futures tumbling down below the
monitor screen. A few minutes of jokes about poor
profits changed to a state as if we were watching a
film-catastrophe when the news began to come. Everyone
was shocked. A taxi driver who drove me home was
cursing out the Arabs as russian people know the
problem very closely. Those buildings blown up in 1999
were just 10 kilometers from our house.
I hope no one of your friends and relatives have not
suffered.
Russia is really grieving.
US must forget the human values in relation to
terrorist states as they forget them in relation to
the civilized world.
Write how you are.
Dimtry
Sent: Thursday, March 07, 2002
Subject: RE: approximately 1 in 18
Hi
Well you have got very similar results to me, nice to know that someone else has
done it too.. Before me I might had.
Well thought I would tell you that the Psion series 3A has speech synth built
in. It also has a dedicated free running clock chip that you can access through
your program. This can transmit directly to your tele-coil hearing aid!
I obtain approximately 1 in 18 on any wheel instead of 1 in 37 (European). I can
double my money in 2 hours. Wondered how well you do??
Nice to share some ideas with someone with similar interests!
Contact me on XXX@XXX.net
Mark Howe
Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002
Subject: approximately 1 in 18
Hi, Mark -- It's interesting to know you succeeded. We did not peruse
our machine further, we needed refinements in timing. In what section
of the world do you live? I' curious about what it means when you say I
obtain approximately 1 in 18 on any wheel instead of 1 in 37 (European).
Sent: Thursday, March 07, 2002
Subject: Re: approximately 1 in 18
Hi
I live in the UK England!
American roulette is a little harder with the two zeros!
Well when I found your site, specially with the graphs, WOW, just so much
like mine, uncanny, even the ripple effect of where the ball hits the rotor
and finnishes up!. TO only a few people, that understands what you have
really achieved! Congratulations!
Well could you, or did you place 1 chip on at a time, that is what I do!
I hit the one number every 18 spins or so on average, yet to chance I should
only get 1 in 37, and can do this all day long. I made my program flexible
so that I could go into setting the equations up after any spin. This way if
drift occurred due to air pressure or temp etc I could instantly change the
program to suit. Unfortunately I never read the Newtonian casino book, or
came across anyone else who had done it, i thought i was the first, should
know better as I invent new products in my spare time and quite often come
up with ideas that have been done else where, well great minds think alike!
Down to successful, the hardest part for me was learning to program from
scratch, the maths was not to difficult!. Also I have been building radios
from the age of 5 years, so the electronics was not to bad either. Had
problems that I gather you will have had using the computer you chose at the
time, might be wrong though, well for 6 years after I had done the maths
using a Psion series 3 (not a 3A), i use to get fluctuations in the results
sometimes, bad enough to throw it completely out!
Then I bumped into a electronics whizz who had worked for Psion computers.
He told me that using the clock in a computer for real time applications ,
especially the palmtop I was using, was no good. This is because the timer
chip is used elsewhere in the computer, like to update the clock, if it has
one etc, run An auto switch-off feature, if you left the computer on. He
told me that I needed a Psion series 3A, this had a dedicated FRC timer
chip, it also had a speech recorder built in. I was on new ground, was not
long before I had a neat little system making me some money
Mark
Any more questions??
Sent: Thursday, March 07, 2002 1
Importance: High
Hi again --
We would have given our eye teeth, to have had a computer like the Piosn Series 3A
:) As it turned out, even though we had to add the speech synthesizer and the
infrared link, it was not a big problem, in retrospect, although at the time we
did a bit of head-scratching.
I'm glad you enjoyed reading the roulette web pages; no doubt you saw the
pictures also. So you know we made it a 2-man job, to do the actual casino
playing. We, like you, placed only one chip per bet, as it makes no sense to bet
anywhere else other than the predicted number. We also tapped into the clock
chip of the computer to create our timer.
Thanks for the congratulations; I think you deserve more than we, because
apparently you succeeded. There are quite a few people who are doing this -- I
have had contact with several, especially Eastern block countries and Russia.
One fellow in [] seems to be quite advanced. Many don't know what they are
doing, I think. Estimating in which half of the wheel the ball would come down
was my goal, but we stopped working too soon.
We could not adjust our computer on the fly, as you apparently can. We gave some
consideration to building a machine with learning capabilities, but we chose to
go the straight physics way, considering the decay of the ball and of the rotor
as second degree polynomials. This you see on the graphs on the web page. What
we did, was to take data from the wheel before play. Then we analyzed it to
determine the parameters for our formulas. The we suited up and went downstairs
to play.
You make no mention of a partner, for playing. Have you solved the problem of
how to time the ball AND make bets? I'd be interested to know how you do the
timing. Nowadays, I think it's possible to do the timing with a tiny TV camera,
using fiber optics. We experimented with a simple device built into eye glasses,
which would sense the rotational speed of the ball and rotor. We did not develop
this further. Instead, we used manual switch presses.
-- NOWSCAPE
Gang arrested after £1.3m win at Ritz
casino
BY PA NEWS
Three people have been arrested on suspicion of using James
Bond-style electronic trickery to win almost £1.3 million at a
London casino.
The Metropolitan Police said today that two men and a woman, all
from Eastern Europe, had been arrested for allegedly obtaining
money by deception.
They are accused of using a scanner inserted into a mobile phone
and hooked up to a microcomputer to calculate where a roulette
ball would probably fall after the third turn of the wheel.
The Daily Mirror newspaper reported that the trio attracted
suspicion when they won the huge sum at roulette last week at the
casino in the Ritz Hotel. They were paid £300,000 in cash and more
than £900,000 by cheque as part of their winnings.
A Scotland Yard spokesman said "a significant amount of cash had
been seized in the investigation".
In the game of roulette bets are placed on alternate red and black
numbers on a wheel, numbered 0 to 36, and odds are paid out
according to where the roulette ball lands when the wheel is spun.
The newspaper said that police were investigating whether they had
used the scanner to calculate the speed of the ball when released
and its probable finishing point on the wheel.
By the time the calculation were made the gambler would still have
several seconds before the croupier called "no more bets".
Bosses at the exclusive casino, frequented by Arab princes and
international playboys, became suspicious of the amazing run of
luck on March 16.
All tables are monitored using video cameras and experts looked at
the tapes before calling in Scotland Yard.
Two Serbian men, aged 38 and 33, and a 32-year-old Hungarian woman
were arrested and police also seized their winnings and mobile
phones.
The suspects were taken to a police station and then bailed until
March 30.
Dr Mark Griffiths, Professor of Gambling Studies at Nottingham
Trent University, said: "I haven’t heard of a laser scanner being
used before but roulette mathematical systems have been used for
years based on the speed of the ball and where the croupier puts
the ball.
"It is reliant on calculations being done very quickly and when
you have got technology involved it improves the chances.
"But the industry is well aware there may be underhand methods
operating and when something happens once, word travels very
quickly."
The alleged scam happened at one of the world’s most high-profile
gaming houses.
The secret rooms of the Ritz Club casino are tucked away off
London’s Piccadilly in the former ballroom of The Ritz Hotel.
It opened as a casino in 1978 and is now one of the world’s most
exclusive, privately owned members-only clubs featuring
chandeliers, ornate ceilings and plush red carpets.
A spokeswoman for the casino said today: "We have no comment to
make."
source: timesonline.co.uk
From: George
Hi
Been looking at your URL [Pictures_desc_1984.htm] - do you still have the
high profile double-0 A/R?
Regards
George
From: George
At 04:47 AM 10/13/2007, you wrote:
Subject: Re: : Roulette Wheel
Thank you for your prompt response; much appreciated. In the early 1980's
following the 'incident' at Northampton I was asked to "find out" how it was
done and to "do something about it". Following six weeks of an intensive
research programme I designed the first low profile roulette wheel (Huxley
Mk.3). I have been tracking most of the 'prediction' activity and have been
endeavouring to stay one step ahead - my last design was the 'Starburst' wheel
with triangular pockets that sends the ball backwards at low speeds.
I have been writing a book for the past ....twenty years; it took time to
research every aspect, write programs etc. I have now retired and have more time
in my hands. Referring to the double-0 A/R (what make is it?) I can envisage the
following options:
(a) Purchase – please let me know what you have in mind;
(b) Exchange / Trade ? with a single-0 near perfect condition [low profile]
Huxley Mk.5 wheel
I would appreciate the following:
(a) One or two photographs of the wheel; the photographs to be taken vertically
i.e. the viewer will see the turret in the centre of the photograph. The
photograph to include the plinth i.e the complete view of the wheel.
(b) A short video clip. Say 2 or 3 spins only. If you don’t have an Ivorene
ball, a PTFE (or Teflon) or even a compound will be fine. I am afraid that the
video should be taken with a ‘steady hand’ (or even a tripod), again, vertically
to the turret so that the turret is in the centre. The video file may be *.avi
or *.mpg.
I am willing to pay for both the photographs and video clip, including any DHL
fee / costs. Please let me know whatever the cost might be. Also willing to pay
in advance.
I have several single-0 wheels but no double zero, especially a high profile,
and I would need to test the software with a high profile, different operating
conditions, different balls and different inclinations (i.e. tilts).
Software
I have now completed the ‘3rd’ generation software (written in Visual Basic
2005); some of the features include the following:
Video module (one of five modules)
· Identification of the winning number by means of a video camera / video file;
· Projection of the winning number at least 6 seconds before the ball exits the
ball track (accuracy: straight up 8 out of 10 for horizontally true wheels);
· Projection of the winning number after ‘2-clicks’ for both wheel and ball;
· Deceleration / Service graphs
· And many more.
I attach one of my publications that you might find of interest. If you would
like to read more on the first profile wheel, poker chips etc. please let me
know.
Regards
George
At 05:23 AM 10/15/2007, you wrote:
hey is this projekt for real? and what was the result? I guess u weren't able to
calculate the sector were the ball was landing. I just wonder how u clocked the
wheel and the ball and the friction. Do u have a formula? im doing a similar
projekt and i don't think its impossible to calculate the balls landing sector.
Hope we can exchange some info. Thanks in advance
Rickard
Dear Rickard --
This project was a long tome ago. The formula we used was that for a second
degree polynomial. We timed the revolution and used those data as inputs to
a curve-fitting program to give us the coefficients, a b and c for the
plynomial ax2 + bx + c = 0. We used this formula for both the ball and the
rotor. In practice, the rotor decay was almost zero, so its graph looked
like a straight line. We clocked the ball and rotor manually.
2004. Interesting: The Hungarian blonde, the two Serbs, the hidden gadget … and the very angry casino
The group was arrested, their mobile phones seized and hotel rooms searched. Although a lot of cash was found, the three were released on bail because technically they had not broken any laws. They could not be named for legal reasons.
“The operating principle of the gadget is relatively simple,” he said. “A laser beam measures one position of the inert ball, say, on zero, then when the ball is spun it measures its speed, tracks its movement and works out its likely landing spot.” (HA! -- NOWSCAPE Editor :)
From: pieter@***-***.be
Subject: === Roulette ===
Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 05:17:15 +0100
Hi,
I’m interested if you can send me the raw data of your roulette of around
100 spins.
What I’m gonna do with it?
Simply:
I have written a Visual Basic (or I am working on it… because at this moment
it’s not finished) program where I can track/record or enter following
variables:
- The speed of the rotor (the program calculates it with a built in
chronometer; I have to click stop and start after each spin).
- The speed of the ball (program can calculates it too with a chronometer
when you click stop and start)
- The diameter of the wheel
Now I wanna see if there is a relation in this data… Finally I want to make
a formula to predict the landing zone of the ball.
Finally, If you can predict 4 numbers where the ball will NOT gonna land,
you can beat the system (just bet on all the numbers except the 4), you will
lose a lot of money, but every time will win more than you lose…
Do you have tips for this? What do you think about it.
If this works, I can write a program in Java so I can run the software on a
Nokia mobile phone. You can connect the phone with a Bluetooth invisible
headset so you can hear the prediction.
Thx in advantage!
Pieter
To: pieter@***-***.be
Subject: Re: === Roulette ===
From: rich***
Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 11:40:15 -0500
Hello Pieter,
Yes, what you said is exactly what we did:
1. Compute the speed of the wheel at a certain reference point.
2. Compute the speed of the ball as it passes a reference point.
3. Plot the intersection.
Here are a few things we learned along the way:
1. The wheels are not always level or accurate. Some are tilted, or are cut at
different angles. Each wheel is slightly different.
2. The balls have different size, mass, and material. The ball is changed
sometimes.
3. Altitude and barometric pressure have an effect, but we didn't determine
whether that was significant.
Be careful, the casinos are looking for these sorts of things. If you begin to
win a lot they will look at you very closely.
Where are you located? (Belgium??)
Good luck!
Richard
To: pieter@***-***.be
Subject: Re: === Roulette ===
From: richard***
Date: Thu, 01 Jan 2009 13:48:17 -0500
Happy New Year to you, too!
We found that the wheel was easy to predict. It slows down at a very steady
rate. If my memory is correct, the rate is about 10ms per revolution. For
example, the first revolution might take 1000ms. Then the next takes 990, then
980, etc. We timed the wheel as it passed a fixed spot, such as the 12:00
position. We tested the accuracy of our hand-made presses against presses we
measured with our own wheel. We were able to make quite accurate measurements of
the wheel and predict the future location fairly accurately several seconds into
the future.
The ball is different. As mentioned, there are different slopes of the wheel,
different individual wheel defects, different balls used, etc. Also there are
the diamonds when the ball falls from the rim. These are not fatal problems, but
they make it difficult.
We measured the ball at the point it passed the same marker we used for the
wheel. We used the 12:00 position on the wheel as our marker. And, just as you
said, we used the same chronometer (a computer program written in machine code
that counted in milliseconds).
The wheel data, when plotted, make a curve that is a second-degree polynomial.
AX**2 + BX + C. The ball also makes a similar curve with the same equation. The
data need to be put into a curve-fitting routine to best fit the data. From
that, you can predict the outcomes for a wheel, using that ball.
Yes, it should be possible to adapt to another wheel without having to collect
additional data. But, I think that would be very difficult. My suggestion would
be to get it to work in one case, and then think about changing it after it is
proven. We learned a lot about the project as it progressed, and we found
unexpected problems, etc. I'd suggest keeping it as simple as possible, then
making it more complicated if you are successful.
I have been to Brussels. Beautiful city, wonderful architecture, excellent food,
great museums. I visited the World's Fair site, the Gran Place, etc. My father
was there in 1944-45, really enjoyed it, and always wanted to go back, but never
did.
Don't underestimate the difficulty of your project. It will take a lot of time
and be much more difficult than expected, with no guarantee of success. But, it
was a lot of fun.
Please let us know how it is progressing. Good luck!
Richard
