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Gary Gish Handyman
Mr. Gish did some small jobs...

This web page shows my opinion.


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GARY GISH Addresses:

4858 South 1300 E #18,
Salt Lake City, UT, 84117 (2013)

4287 South Shady Tiver Way, #1728
Taylorsville, UT, 84123  (2013)

1542 West 700 North
St George, UT 84770  more 

 Emails  (emails on file)


 

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Before I hired Gary Gish, a Google search found no complaints;  there were only some references to the city of Saint George, Utah regarding Mr. Gish. I hired him and he did an ok job.  I then hired him for several other small jobs (see below)

This, his most recent job was poorly executed and expensive. That's what this web page is about.  He over-billed it and balked at repayment.

In fairness, Mr. Gish did return to try to improve his previous work; see here.  But...


Gary J. Gish

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♫ Suck Me off
♫ God Will Fuck Gary Up
The Dildo Song

Gish's rebuttal -

"Here's the rebuttal on your postings. You said you wouldn't change a word so I'm going to hold you to it..."



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The way I see it, Gary made mistakes:

  1.  Gary Gish made a mistake in the arithmetic on his invoice.
  2.  Gary later claimed more hours - no invoice.
  3.  Gary did a crappy job, then claimed that the poor quality of his workmanship
       is the what I'd bargained for  .
  4.  Gary tried to bill me for bringing his work up to a normative standard.
  5.  Gary weaseled about fixing it as agreed, then did a sloppy job to fix the deficits
       and wanted to be paid for that too!
  6.  Gary finds my morals to be reprehensible (he said so) and so showed his animus
       by feigning #1 above.

Gary's Mormon spiritual advisor's - address:

Ronald L. Mcneill
8262 Wayside Dr.  Sandy, UT 84094
     Bishop Ron Mcneill
Hillcrest 3rd Ward,  1165 East 8600, S. Sandy, UT 84094

 

$35 / hr
Gary did four jobs for me. The first three jobs were performed on a bid basis and his charge was reasonable.  Similarly, on this job - what this web page is about - Gary and I did not discuss an hourly rate.

It makes no difference:  If one does a shitty job one has to rectify it for free.

Work Billed by Mr. Gish:                                   IT'S GOT TO BE PERFECT
TOTAL Time on Job, both days 8hrs 40 min  
Time 2 Workers, both days 17hrs 20 min
Time on Invoice: (17hrs x $35/hr)       17hrs 00 min = $595
Paid from Invoice =   $883
Overpayment ($595 - $883)   = $288

NOTE: $883 @ $35/hr would be more than 25 hrs!

Gary owes: $883 - (17hrs * $35/hr) = $288.

Mr. Gish refused to provide a corrected invoice and made only a partial refund.

 

 He returned to improve his previous work:                                               (click / tap images to enlarge)

When I look out my window, I see this -

1st job completion -
Re-work needed:
Re-"painting"- 2nd job completion -
AFTER re-work:

First & second try (above)

Smearing paint...

And it still didn't come out quite right...

Gish's 'rebuttle' -

here's the rebuttal on your postings. You said you wouldn't change a word so I'm going to hold you to it.
Ok...lets start with the fact that this was a paid by the hour job. NOT a bid job. It does make a difference. Harald called me to do more work for him. Over the past two years he has used me once to do some remodeling and painting. The about a year ago... continued

 

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And he asked me to pay extra for his
 "paint job" with a stick !

 

Gary Gish's work...

1st job completion -
Re-work needed:

2nd job completion -
AFTER re-work:

Paint job (2010)

  First attempt

  Second attempt

  Paint by Gary Gish

 

  First attempt

  Second attempt

 
Invoice -
... Mr. Gish refused to provide a corrected invoice and made only a partial refund.
  
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Gary Gish's work... The magnetic latches are already falling off.

Emails  Original emails on file.

From: Olga Pronina <marinap****@yahoo.com>
Subject: gary gish
Date: November 21, 2013 at 3:46 AM MST
To: "webmaster.nowscape@yahoo.com"
Reply-To: Olga Pronina <pronina***@yahoo.com>

Found this link on facebook. Thank you for your web sight. I had a feeling I checked it out for my mom first. She almost hired this contractor. Your post saved us some headaches. I can't believe what a s** paintjob that was. And painting with a pole haha...
Sincerely,
Marina

Gary Gish's Emails   (emphasis, links added - ed.)  All emails on file.

But first, an audio clip.. Gary Gish is being paid after doing a mediocre job...
 
 "That's the way it is..."      Link  "I paid that guy..."

I n my opinion, if Mr. Gish had not initially made a mistake on his invoice he wouldn't have had to do such extreme finger zuzeln to find other work that he might bill in order to come up with the amount he wants to be paid.  Most of what follows is his justification to obtain a greater number of hours than which he billed originally.

Gish's invoice was for 17 hrs of work, no materials. After I'd pointed out that I'd actually paid for over 25 hrs of his time, he tried to find reasons why his original hours were inaccurate and that I should pay more. To his credit, he agreed that I was indeed owed a refund. I repeatedly showed him the arithmetic and he replied...


W o r d C l o u d   o f   t h i s   w e b p a g e

"How is it that you hire someone by the hour, tell them you want a medium job done and then complain when the job isn't too your liking..."

From: Gary Gish <garygish@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: 17hr times $35 is NOT = $883
Date: October 9, 2013 8:32:10 AM

Yes I cashed the check. Listen, I don't get on line like you do...I don't have the time to check mail every night. I didn't get home until 8;30 last night so I don't feel like reading emails. I don't know why you seem to have an aversion to the simple phone call. Anyway, I have no intention of cheating anyone so send me a copy of the invoice I sent you as I misplaced mine and I'll make the correction. I guess you just assume everyone is out to get you. IF I made a mistake...believe me I'll make it right and it's not because of the threats you talk about here. I just want it to be right. Now, I know you paid for some of the material...like the 2 gallons of paint but did you pay for the oak wood strips and gallon of white as well? Not sure. So, how much was I off assuming I was.?
There is something that bothers me though. How is it that you hire someone by the hour, tell them you want a medium job done and then complain when the job isn't too your liking. All you had to do was stop in and explain what it was you wanted done....like all the joints patched etc...then painted. I can't read your mind. Why in the world would I want to rush the job IF I'm being paid by the hour anyway? If I knew you wanted such detail...I'd have given you it but it would take more hours....which you would have complained about more I take it. If I was working by the job....and you told me exactly what you wanted and expected and I didn't do it..then for sure I would have to come back to do it right. But when it's hourly, we do it the way the customer wants it...they knowing that it simply takes more time which translates into more cost to them. Its all about communication ...you didn't tell me how exact you wanted this to be and you wouldn't even take the time to check it out monday after I asked you to go look. Now, I came back and did more work (about 2 hours plus travel time) and didn't charge you for that although that would normally be charged. Does that count for anything. I've been 38 years in business and have many repeat customers and am busy as can be. My work must be ok or I would have been out of business long ago. In the future...I would suggest to be fair to you new workers that you tell them in detail excactly how you want the job to look when finished. If it is a bid job...then they will charge you more for it. If its hourly.. then they will take the extra time to please you...its that simple. Now, no more of this threat stuff...lets just clear this up and you go your way and I'l go mine having been surprised about how this all played out.

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  ps. As to your insensitve remarks about the church and making fun of the garmets I'm wearing....Not impressed. They say that there are people who leave the church...but just can't leave it alone. I think that's you. As for me...I once left for three plus years but never bad mouthed the church or the principles. Some of the worst people in the mob that killed Joseph and Hyrum were opostates. Anyway, I could say more on this subject but I should be at work right now. All I ask is that you leave the church alone and go on believeing what you want ok In the meantime...email me a copy of my invoice and I'll correct the mistake if there was one. ok gary
 



From: Gary Gish <garygish@gmail.com>
Subject: My math needs help
Date: October 9, 2013 10:42:58 PM

Sorry about that. It was not intentional. I owe you money back but there are a few things that you aren't considering and that don't show up on your camera...things like my time going to the paint store to get the right paint color for you. My time purchasing the paint stripper, paint thinner and oak wood strip. Then comes the time to clean the paint off the hinges at my home. Then theres the two hours coming back monday to detail the work done. Anyway, let me know what is fair to you considering this and I'll cut you a check for the differences. Fair enough? thanks gary



From: Gary Gish <garygish@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: My math needs help
Date: October 10, 2013 11:55:41 PM

Ok ...this is getting rediculous...almost like you're enjoying this. There is no way do I owe you that much. I gave you the receipt but you didn't pay it all...the brush I held out for myself. You making light of the time I did take to clean the hinges...and stop by to order your paint..not to mention the time at home depot to get your other supplies. Also,,, I thought your camera had us recorded at 17.4 hours...isn't that right? Anyway, I'm tired of this...and will pay you next week what we agree on beside I need to get a couple jobs done to get some cash to pay you. I don't want to discuss this until next week at which time we will figure out what is right here. Incidently, I would never pay 25 dollars for a brush. Don't upset me by trying to take advantage of me here...We'll do whats fair. .



From: Gary Gish <garygish@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: My math needs help
Date: October 13, 2013 6:43:31 PM

I was out of town for a couple of days and didn't check my mail. Anyway, I think I found the problem we have here. Yes, my invoice was wasn't too legible and I'll correct that on another one for you but what I found was that you were assuming the 17 hours was for both of us working on your place. I charge $35 and hour for myself and you must remember that from my work with you in the past like painting your bottom floor. I've charged that amount for almost 7 years now. I charge $18 an hour for my helper who has painted for 7 years. So, I think the problem or discrepancy lies here. You didn't include him on your figures. Remember, I did work for you not on camera as well...like cleaning the hinges, shopping for the paint, paint stripper, etc and then another couple of hours (I:m sure it's on your camera) coming back to do more touch up on the bathroom. As for the circled parts of the invoice...those were items that I didnt' charge you as they were for me. I should have kept them separate to avoid this confusion. My question for you now is....why would you expect me to charge you $35 an hour for two men when in the past I've always charged you that anount for just my services.?



From: garygish <garygish@gmail.com>
Subject: RE: Government glitch is over. Please let me know, eh?
Date: October 17, 2013 9:37:43 AM
Reply-To: garygish <garygish@gmail.com>

The checks I was waiting for arent here yet so im sending you 100 dollars as part payment ok..will send more when they get here. What's your address again



From: Gary Gish <garygish@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Thank you
Date: October 24, 2013 8:29:58 AM

ya...i'll send money to you tomorrow but it won't be quite the amount you want and I'll explain that later when I have time to write you. I just got paid last night so no to worry....I'll send the money that is fair to both of us. ok

Sent from my iPad



From: Gary Gish <garygish@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Thank you
Date: October 25, 2013 9:14:11 AM

Ok...lets get this done and move on. I don't know why you have so many different email addresses but oh well. As for the amount I owe you...yes I did compute the numbers wrong and I'll correct that part BUT you are not treating me fairly here on this so let me explain. When you hire someone by the hour...then you pay them for every hour they are working for you. That includes the half hour of cleaning your hinges at my home....30 minutes taking your door down to Kwals and waiting for them to match two different colors, 15 minutes buying your paint stripper, thinner and looking for different hinges for you. Then theres the 2 hours or more that i had to come back to do more detailed work for you that could have been found IF you were ever willing to do a walk through to show us what more you want done. For some reason, you won't check things out when done and when I ask you to do this walk through. you'd rather complain later hand have up come back. Well, my (come backs) are charged and should be since we are working by the hour. Incidently, your camera had us working .4 of an hour more as we were unloading tools. My time starts as soon as we drive up and unloading equipment is part of the work. I also charge travel time for people out my area...and that would be another 15 mins each trip. I didn't charge that either.
We could go on and on with this nit picking but I'm getting tired of it. I didn't charge for travel time and still won't but I am charging for every minute I worked for you whether at home or doing your shopping.. its still time i could have been working for someone else. You had me at $280 owed but conveniently left out the extra trip back there and the extra time mentioned above. So, deduct two hours for return trip work which is $70.00 , 30 mins at Kwals which is $17.50, 15 mins buying your products at home depot described above which is about $9.00. If this is agreeable then no charge on travel time or the .4 of an hour unloading and loading tools.
So, I paid you $100 last week leaving $180 left according to your figures. Now, we need to subtract $96.50 which now totals to $83.50 still owed you. I have the money here but want to see first if you have anything else to add here before I send it to you... I really had you pegged for a fair, decent man until this last trip to your place. When you threatened to put this on facebook and other places...well, I don't even use my facebook and get no business from it..so, if your trying to hurt me here business wise it just won't work. Just the mear mention of that bothered me though. Then when you sent that nasty email the other day using the F-word, I was really taken back by it. There is no need for that kind of talk anywhere. Then, when you told me about the secret you have from your wife...I lost all respect for you. Hey, obviously, I'm not good with the computer but I do have friend and family that can work it well. Lets just say we drop the whole thing and I'll pay you this amount and nobody and no organization will be brought into any of this. Deal? Let me know today and I'll send the balance out then. I'll be checking my mail.


From: Gary Gish <garygish@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Tuesday AM
Date: October 28, 2013 at 11:12:32 PM

the final check was sent out today for $83.50 and that all you're getting which is more than fair. i've been in this business for 38 years and have never run into someone like you. Cash the money order and stop the emails as well. We're done.

Sent from my iPad


From: Gary Gish <garygish@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Tuesday AM
Date: October 30, 2013 at 11:55:15 AM

ok ....I guess you just don't get it. I've tried again and again to explain how this works....working by hour. When you tell me to work by the hour and tell me you want a medium job done to save money...then that's what i gave you. I could have done the job in detail if you wanted and that would have been just fine to me since I would be paid for the extra time anyway. Why would I want to rush the job then? Then there's the part where you aren't willing to do a walk through as we call it in the business...so that we could touch up anything you wanted us to do while there. No, you'd rather have us come back to touch up later and at no charge to you. Thats not fair or right. Ask anybody in the business. Now, I can see why you were having trouble getting your contractors to come back. It all makes sence now.
So, you want to damage my reputation I see. Ok..if that makes you feel better...but, remember...two can play that game. I'll put my friend on notice to handle this for me should I see this on google or whatever. After 38 years in business and a great record...one negative message won't hurt me a bit as most of my work is repeat business and referrals from doing good work. We all need to expect one disgruntled customer from time to time. Do you see any other negatives on me on google. So, guess you'll be the only one there. I will be checking with my attorney friend to see what he suggests here. Its not the money now...its the principle of the whole thing and what you're trying to do (get something for nothing). You seem to think that my doing your shopping for you for paints, lumber etc should be free. No...this is time that I could be working on another job. If customers want to save money then they should do their own shopping and let the contractor just do the work at the home. If this job had been an bid job and didn't do the work according to our agreement....then, sure I should come back to honor that. This...let me remind you one more time, this was an hourly job....in which case every hour spent on doing your work which includes the shopping...needs to be paid for.

 

I took pictures of you as well so if you want your face to show up too....it will as will some of this other stuff I know about you. Why don't you just take me to small claims court and present your case...I would more than welcome that...since I would win hands down. No, you prefer to try to ruin a mans reputation. Well, do what you want but know that you aren't getting money that doesn't belong to you. I would think this through before you open this can of worms. gary
Sent from my iPad


From: Gary Gish <garygish@gmail.com>
Date: October 30, 2013 at 8:05:15 PM MDT

When I told you I'd send another invoice....that was before you threatened to put me on the web in a negative write up of course...and with my picture. That was also before you decided to cheat me out of time I'd worked for you. Just take the old one and make the adjustment....it's all on your emails from me anyway. AS for the elipses as you call them... I couldn't care less about these elipses. What I notice though is that every time I write you with explanations as to why I'm being fair and you are not...you just ignore the content which I know you understand. You have never addressed my statements which tells me that you know you are wrong in what you're trying to do. Give me an answer concerning what I've said here in detail and we'll go from there.

Sent from my iPad
 
October 30, 2013 at 8:05:15 PM
What I notice though is that every time I write you with explanations as to why I'm being fair and you are not...you just ignore the content which I know you understand.


Gary,

Itís really difficult to go through your rambling anecdotal musings, Gary! You donít explain much, say, in the form of a list, figures or tables, as is the norm, which might be recognized as a proposed invoice. God knows I tried. You go on and on about lawyer, small claims, your relatives who internet-savvy, perceived threats, friends and you seem to threaten my wife. Itís hard to understand your folksy emails and train of thought. For example it took you several days to realize that yes, I did indeed account for TWO people working , EACH at the rate of $35 dollars per hour, in my correction of your billing. Youíre mercurial, Gary, you say you are billing extra for waiting time, driving time, and then you say youíre not billing for that. Put it in an INVOICE and let me take a look at it. So now I will take some hours and reply ALL your emails and respond, as you asked, point by point. I hope that will help to clear any misunderstanding.





October 9, 2013 8:32:10 AM
send me a copy of the invoice I sent you as I misplaced mine and I'll make the correction. [Ö] email me a copy of my invoice and I'll correct the mistake if there was one
I did! Now you send me a correct and proper one, please. You know you know Iíve asked a hundred times before.

but did you pay for the oak wood strips and gallon of white as well? Not sure.
Check the invoice! Materials and labor should all be listed there. Maybe itís not looking to good, what with your losing your paperwork, your arithmeticÖ

I came back and did more work (about 2 hours plus travel time) and didn't charge you for that
Thank you, so please quit complaining about it in every other email.

Now, no more of this threat stuff...
Am I remembering correctly, that you threatened, in an email here, to reveal some deleterious secret that you know abut my wife? My wife, for fucking-christís sake!? Leave her out of this! Did you say that you took surreptitious pictures of me on inside my house? What in hell is wrong with you, my friend?


ps. As to your insensitve remarks about the church and making fun of the garmets I'm wearing....
Actually, it went like this: I offered you a beer and you declined; I gave you something else instead. Yu explained that you had returned to the fold, so to speak. I asked you if youíd wear a funny hat, if your space alien leaders from the planet Kolob required it. Thatís what happened. I donít remember mentioning clothing, but I could be wrong. You probably misunderstood.

Some of the worst people in the mob that killed Joseph and Hyrum were opostates. Anyway, I could say more on this subject
Iím always willing to learn more. You seem to mean Jos. Smith here, yes? I donít know from this Mr. Hyrum fellow, sorry.
 

October 9, 2013 10:42:58 PM
I owe you money back but there are a few things that you aren't considering

Ok ...this is getting rediculous...almost like you're enjoying this.
Yes ridiculous. Actually I dread it. Iím emailing you for a longer time than you and your helper were here, making misery.

Also,,, I thought your camera had us recorded at 17.4 hours...isn't that right?
Itís whatever I emailed you, I donít have a web page any more. It was all there. But you only billed for 17.0 hrs, thanks. Your new invoice should not change things that were true before, right? I mean how would you like it if you bought a loaf of bread, say, and when you got home the grocer called you to say, ďOh, sorry the price has done up by 40 cents, please come back and pay the difference, I made a mistake, so sorry and the receipt I gave you is in error.Ē? It was 17hrs 20 min -- thatís less -- 17.33 hrs. Donít expect me to make a proper invoice for you. Make it and send it and send the money. You are only making it worse, dragging it out from week to week.

Don't upset me by trying to take advantage of me here...Yes, my invoice was wasn't too legible and I'll correct that on another one for you but what I found was that you were assuming the 17 hours was for both of us working on your place [Ö my helper] You didn't include him on your figures.
Wrong, wrong, wrong again! Look again at he figures I provided for you; I included him at $35 / hr -- you say you only pay him $18 / hr.


why would you expect me to charge you $35 an hour for two men when in the past I've always charged you that anount for just my services.?

It really doesnít matter to me what's in your past; please donít ask this, itís silly.
 
October 25, 2013 9:14:11 AM
i'll send money to you tomorrow but it won't be quite the amount you want and I'll explain that later when I have time to write you.
YES! An INVOICE would be an acceptable explanation. You keep saying youíll send one but nothing happens.

yes I did compute the numbers wrong and I'll correct that part BUTÖ
I am still waiting; have been waiting for weeks and weeks now.

waiting for them to match two different colors
Really? Waiting? WHY? What I usually do, is drop the sample off and pick it up the next day after the colors have been matched. Itís not necessary to ďhave your colors matched while you waitĒ. Nobody needs me for that! Thatís what I usually do. In fact, I did pick up the colors the next day, as you asked me to do.

you'd rather complain later hand have up come back
I think you may have forgotten at least one ellipsis.

I didn't charge for travel time and still won't
Thanks. Iíd be surprised if you had charged for driving here. Iíve never been asked to pay for showing up.

[Ö] extra trip back there and the extra time mentioned above. So, deduct two hours for return trip work which is $70.00 , 30 mins at Kwals which is $17.50, 15 mins buying your products at home depot described above which is about $9.00. If this is agreeable then no charge on travel time or the .4 of an hour unloading and loading tools.
I have the money here but want to see first if you have anything else to add here before I send it to you...
This is utter gibberish to me. I do know that you billed for $17 hours, yes? If I had a legible PRINTED INVOICE Iíd understand what you are saying! MAKE ONE for godís Sake! You said many times that youíd do that! If you have the money, then please send it without delay!

When you threatened to put this on facebook and other placesÖ
This isnít a treat for christís sake! Many people blog nowadays, itís very common. Iím one of those. People say online what happened during the day. They blog about whatís been happening, the good and the bad. Thatís the age weíre living in now, for better or for worse. I mentioned it to you when we were in the bathroom, shortly before you left here. Itís all on the tape, the audio file I sent you yesterday:  "That's the way it is..." . Please listen to it again. No threats, just documentation. And if I said anything here thatís incorrect, please let me know so that I can correct it.

I don't even use my facebook
Too much information!

Then when you sent that nasty email the other day using the F-word, I was really taken back by it.
Itís taken aback, Gary! As with much of your grammar, punctuation and arithmetic, you are an enigma to me! (and I mean that in a nice way) Fuck is an ancient time honored English word in common usage. Every language has and uses it daily. Get over it; grow up and donít be such a smellfungus (noun: A habitual faultfinder or complainer).
 
October 30, 2013 at 11:55:15 AM
Then there's the part where you aren't willing to do a walk through as we call it in the business
Yes. I saw your painting-on-a-stick smear job outside and I knew Iíd see similarly sloppy work inside so I made short shrift of it. Besides, I knew youíd not be back. And that last day you were here I learned that youíd not be back. Not unless I paid you extra to re-finish the job and do it properly. I asked you to re-do your work in exchange for the small percentage I had withheld and you agreed. You came back and wanted more. To make a long story short, I even said Iíd give you that remainder, you do nothing and just leave. Apparently that wasnít good enough for your pride, then you went out from the bathroom and prepared to smear paint with your stick onto the pillars. Then it seemingly occurred to you, well maybe leaving now would be a good idea and you offered that youíd leave now and Iíd only have to pay you $50. I turned around and slammed the door. Itís all on the tape, door slam and all. The I took some pictures of you ďworkingĒ on my property. I guess you just don't get it.

Why would I want to rush the job then?
You might want to work quickly in order to please the victim - I mean customer - and not have to charge too much. Call it honesty, efficiency, self-interest, if you like; I donít know.


I took pictures of you as well so if you want your face to show up too....it will as will some of this other stuff I know about you.
You had no permission to take pictures in my house or on my property. If I decide to make a web page and if you want to see my picture there, Iíll add one of myself, just tell me.
 
October 30, 2013 at 8:05:15 PM
When I told you I'd send another invoice....that was before you threatened to put me on the web in a negative write up of course...
Up until now, I thought you were only sloppy in your bookkeeping, etc., but now it seems that you may be a liar! Only yesterday I sent you the audio tape for your review, the  mp3 file  thatís now on your iPad, the recoding taken on the last day that you were in my bathroom during the walk-through, as you call it!
LATER (sic), you promised repeatedly to make a new INVOICE! In this tape, I assured you ďIím not going to say anything on the internet that isnít trueĒ You said ďOK, thanks, great, you can say what you likeÖĒ and then you proceeded with your mantra ďIíve been in business for thirty-eight yearsÖĒ To say that Iím NOT posting what isnít true, is not a threat unless perhaps there is something to hide. Iím extremely careful to protect your rights by not lying about anything. Just the facts.  So don't tell me what was before and what was after, bub.




and with my picture. That was also before you decided to cheat me out of time I'd worked for you.
The time you worked, is it the time you billed, or did you make a mistake in that too, as well in the simple arithmetic to add up those hours? I donít understand, are you now retroactively trying to bill me for more hours than on the invoice which I paid? Iím confused!

AS for the elipses as you call them... I couldn't care less about these elipses.
You learned a new word ďelipsesĒ, but unfortunately only almost. Itís really ellipsis - singular, and the plural is ellipses. And itís not just I who calls those dots that, everybody does. Even Siri in your iPad understands it.  Try it.

What I notice though is that every time I write you with explanations as to why I'm being fair and you are not...you just ignore the content which I know you understand.
You say ďknowĒ, but you don't know. You are using FAITH again! "Faith is something you believe that nobody in his right mind would believe." ~ Archie Bunker


You have never addressed my statements which tells me that you know you are wrong in what you're trying to do.
A folksy story of you travails while waiting the paint color to be mixed, as you said, etc. is not an invoice and I need to know where my money went.
 
RE: "Remember, you told me that you would be putting all this on line if I didn't pay you what you wanted."
Wrong. Read my lips; I never said "IF". I said I would surely bear the testimony of what happened.  I'll do that honestly, from beginning to end, no matter what the outcome (such as receiving what you owe or  my not being refunded completely because of your math "mistake"). It's a blog -- kind of like journalism, for Christ's sake! [October 31, 2013]
 

From: Gary Gish <garygish@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: You have never addressed my statements which tells me
Date: October 31, 2013 at 11:20:43 AM

Ok....Its quite evident that you have nothing else to do but to with your time but to sit around and write these threatening emails. Remember, you told me that you would be putting all this on line if I didn't pay you what you wanted. Isn't that a threat in itself and you said you have our conversations recorded too. For what purpose? If you did record it all then you must have recorded the part where you told me that you wanted just the medium job done. Listen to your tapes. As for your threats about revealing all this on the web, why don't you handle this problem the way men normally do and take it to small claims court. As I told you, I would welcome that. and if the judge ruled in your favor (which you know he wouldn't) then you'd get the money you felt you were owed. And don't tell me that I knew something about your wife and was threatening in any way, She, unlike you, seems to be a very nice person. What I was referring to was when you told me that you were having an old girlfriend staying down stairs unbeknownst to your wife. That, I thought was disgusting. So, get it straight and don't make statements that I didn't say. That was just a reflection on your character, not hers.
Anyway, I don't have time for this anymore and will not even be reading your emails except for your next and last one. Not because its right and that I owe you the money but to end this whole thing once and for all. I will not not only send you a new invoice but will also (sic) send you half of the money we are disputing about IF you agree in writing here to just stop everything you claimed or threatened to do on the web or to put me on google with my picture or to mention this dispute to anyone or any group or organization or facebook or whatever. Deal? It's not that it affects me anyway, since my business isn't from there anyway,...I just don't like it. You just need to take the low road don't you and try to ruin a man's name rather than take it to court which is what the courts are for. Why? At least you stand to gain something if the courts rule in your favor. The way you choose to go...you would get nothing other than the sick satisfaction that you were able to defame a man's character. I believe this is the first incident I've had like this in 38 years of working with the public...so, don't tell me its all me. You next email to me will be the last one I read so make it good.
I have just two questions for you to answer though. Why don't you comment on my statements as to the difference between bidding jobs and working by the hour. I've explained it twice and you just skim over it. Why don't you get it anyway,? If the above is agreed upon then I'll have the new invoice and money sent to you tomorrow and will bid you a farewell.
The second question is why do you choose the low road rather than take to the courts when you have disputes like this.( I'm sure you've had many now that I know you better).? One more thing, for a man who seems to like to impress people with his command of the written word as I'm sure you' re trying do here, then why is it even necessary to use the swear words that you do or take the Lords name in vain. I'm more impressed with a man's character than hi use of the language. So, spare me on this...not impressed in the least. Here's the deal, on your next email which will be your last email to me, I want you to know that for every one of these words used I'll delay your invoice and check for one day. I, also, want honest answers the my questions here as well. very sincerely, gary
From: Gary Gish <garygish@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Searching "gary gish complaints" on yahoo
Date: December 1, 2013 at 7:53:14 PM MST

and all this for a dispute over $104.00. Let the record show that I suggested three times now that you take me to small claims court over this and let the courts decide who is right. You have chosen the low road and would rather ruin a mans name than just try to get money you feel is owed you. Ok...but sometimes choosing this route could work against you. My girl friend was listening to KSL radio recently where a lady put a contractors name on the internet telling of his poor work. They said that she can't do that even if the complaints have merit. She was sued by the contractor. I have email proof that you have cost me business as a lady named Olga, who I have done work for in the past has chosen not to have me do her work again because of your remarks. I have plenty of work going but this still bothers me and it needs to be stopped. The judge, if it comes to that, will know that I tried to get you to take care of this in small claims court which is the right way to handle this kind of stuff. A man's name is nothing to be trifled with. Anyway, I'll take you up on the rebuttle on this but will write that this week when I have time. As for the false information you mentioned....I would say that the main thing that bothers me is that you are just not telling the whole truth about what happened. I'll explain it in my rebuttle. ok Merry Christmas...gary

Sent from my iPad

Gish's rebuttal -

 Now this time though...he called me to paint his bathroom my normal rate of $35.00 and hour [... ]So, I came back and corrected the things he complained about and AGAIN asked him to do a "walk through" with me to see if all was to his liking [... ]  I did make a mistake in my calculations on the bill he has posted [... ] What does bother me is that he doesn't mention the amount I returned nor did his picture show the work repaired [... ]

 

 

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