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GARY
GISH Addresses:
1542 West 700 North Emails (emails on file)
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... And then he asked me to fix him up with a woman! Before I hired Gary Gish, a Google search found no complaints; there were only some references to the city of Saint George, Utah regarding Mr. Gish. I hired him and he did an ok job. I then hired him for several other small jobs (see below). This, his most recent job was poorly executed and expensive. That's what this web page is about. He over-billed it and balked at repayment. In fairness, Mr. Gish did return to try to improve his previous work; see here. But... |
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Gary Gish's work... The magnetic latches are already falling off. |
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From: Olga Pronina <marinap****@yahoo.com> Subject: gary gish Date: November 21, 2013 at 3:46 AM MST To: "webmaster.nowscape@yahoo.com" Reply-To: Olga Pronina <pronina***@yahoo.com> Found this link on facebook. Thank you for your web sight. I had a feeling I checked it out for my mom first. She almost hired this contractor. Your post saved us some headaches. I can't believe what a s** paintjob that was. And painting with a pole haha... Sincerely, Marina |
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Gary Gish's Emails (emphasis, links added - ed.) All emails on file. |
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But first, an audio clip.. Gary Gish is
being paid after doing a mediocre job... "That's
the way it is..."
Link "I
paid that guy..."I n my opinion, if Mr. Gish had not initially made a mistake on his invoice he wouldn't have had to do such extreme finger zuzeln to find other work that he might bill in order to come up with the amount he wants to be paid. Most of what follows is his justification to obtain a greater number of hours than which he billed originally. Gish's invoice was for 17 hrs of work, no materials. After I'd pointed out that I'd actually paid for over 25 hrs of his time, he tried to find reasons why his original hours were inaccurate and that I should pay more. To his credit, he agreed that I was indeed owed a refund. I repeatedly showed him the arithmetic and he replied... |
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Subject: Re: 17hr times $35 is NOT = $883 Date: October 9, 2013 8:32:10 AM  Yes I cashed the check. Listen, I don't get on line like you
do...I don't have the time to check mail every night. I
didn't get home until 8;30 last night so I don't feel like
reading emails. I don't know why you seem to have an
aversion to the simple phone call. Anyway, I have no
intention of cheating anyone so send me a copy of the
invoice I sent you as I misplaced mine and I'll make the
correction. I guess you just assume everyone is out to get
you. IF I made a mistake...believe me I'll make it right and
it's not because of the threats you talk about here. I just
want it to be right. Now, I know you paid for some of the
material...like the 2 gallons of paint but did you pay for
the oak wood strips and gallon of white as well? Not sure.
So, how much was I off assuming I was.?There is something that bothers me though. How is it that you hire someone by the hour, tell them you want a medium job done and then complain when the job isn't too your liking. All you had to do was stop in and explain what it was you wanted done....like all the joints patched etc...then painted. I can't read your mind. Why in the world would I want to rush the job IF I'm being paid by the hour anyway? If I knew you wanted such detail...I'd have given you it but it would take more hours....which you would have complained about more I take it. If I was working by the job....and you told me exactly what you wanted and expected and I didn't do it..then for sure I would have to come back to do it right. But when it's hourly, we do it the way the customer wants it...they knowing that it simply takes more time which translates into more cost to them. Its all about communication ...you didn't tell me how exact you wanted this to be and you wouldn't even take the time to check it out monday after I asked you to go look. Now, I came back and did more work (about 2 hours plus travel time) and didn't charge you for that although that would normally be charged. Does that count for anything. I've been 38 years in business and have many repeat customers and am busy as can be. My work must be ok or I would have been out of business long ago. In the future...I would suggest to be fair to you new workers that you tell them in detail excactly how you want the job to look when finished. If it is a bid job...then they will charge you more for it. If its hourly.. then they will take the extra time to please you...its that simple. Now, no more of this threat stuff...lets just clear this up and you go your way and I'l go mine having been surprised about how this all played out.
ps. As to your
insensitve
remarks about the church and making fun of the
garmets I'm wearing....Not impressed. They say that
there are people who leave the church...but just can't leave
it alone. I think that's you. As for me...I once left for
three plus years but never bad mouthed the church or the
principles. Some of the worst people in the mob that
killed
Joseph and
Hyrum were
opostates.
Anyway, I could say more on this subject but I should be at
work right now. All I ask is that you leave the church alone
and go on
believeing
what you want ok In the meantime...email me a copy of my
invoice and I'll correct the mistake if there was one. ok gary |
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From: Gary Gish <garygish@gmail.com>
I took pictures of you as well so if you want your
face to show up too....it will as will some of this other
stuff I know about you. Why don't you just take me to
small
claims court and present your case...I would more than
welcome that...since I would win hands down. No, you prefer
to try to ruin a mans
reputation. Well, do what you want but know that you aren't
getting money that doesn't belong to you. I would think this
through before you open this can of worms. gary |
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you... I really had you pegged for a
fair, decent man until this last trip to your place. When
you threatened to put this on facebook and other
places...well, I don't even use my facebook and get no
business from it..so, if
your trying to hurt me here business wise it just won't work. Just the
mear mention of that
bothered me though. Then when you sent that nasty email the
other day using the
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From: Gary Gish <garygish@gmail.com> Date: October 30, 2013 at 8:05:15 PM MDT When I told you I'd send another invoice....that was before you threatened to put me on the web in a negative write up of course...and with my picture. That was also before you decided to cheat me out of time I'd worked for you. Just take the old one and make the adjustment....it's all on your emails from me anyway. AS for the elipses as you call them... I couldn't care less about these elipses. What I notice though is that every time I write you with explanations as to why I'm being fair and you are not...you just ignore the content which I know you understand. You have never addressed my statements which tells me that you know you are wrong in what you're trying to do. Give me an answer concerning what I've said here in detail and we'll go from there. Sent from my iPad |
| October 30, 2013 at 8:05:15 PM What I notice though is that every time I write you with explanations as to why I'm being fair and you are not...you just ignore the content which I know you understand.
It’s really difficult to go through
your rambling anecdotal musings, Gary! You don’t explain
much, say, in the form of a list, figures or tables, as
is the norm, which might be recognized as a proposed
invoice. God knows I tried. You go on and on about
lawyer, small claims, your relatives who internet-savvy,
perceived threats, friends and you seem to threaten my
wife. It’s hard to understand your folksy emails and
train of thought. For example it took you several days
to realize that yes, I did indeed account for TWO people
working , EACH at the rate of $35 dollars per hour, in
my correction of your billing. You’re mercurial, Gary,
you say you are billing extra for waiting time, driving
time, and then you say you’re not billing for that. Put
it in an INVOICE and let me take a look at it. So now I
will take some hours and reply ALL your emails and
respond, as you asked, point by point. I hope that will
help to clear any misunderstanding. |
| October 9, 2013 10:42:58 PM I owe you money back but there are a few things that you aren't considering Ok ...this is getting rediculous...almost like you're enjoying this. Yes ridiculous. Actually I dread it. I’m emailing you for a longer time than you and your helper were here, making misery. Also,,, I thought your camera had us recorded at 17.4 hours...isn't that right? It’s whatever I emailed you, I don’t have a web page any more. It was all there. But you only billed for 17.0 hrs, thanks. Your new invoice should not change things that were true before, right? I mean how would you like it if you bought a loaf of bread, say, and when you got home the grocer called you to say, “Oh, sorry the price has done up by 40 cents, please come back and pay the difference, I made a mistake, so sorry and the receipt I gave you is in error.”? It was 17hrs 20 min -- that’s less -- 17.33 hrs. Don’t expect me to make a proper invoice for you. Make it and send it and send the money. You are only making it worse, dragging it out from week to week. Don't upset me by trying to take advantage of me here...Yes, my invoice was wasn't too legible and I'll correct that on another one for you but what I found was that you were assuming the 17 hours was for both of us working on your place [… my helper] You didn't include him on your figures. Wrong, wrong, wrong again! Look again at he figures I provided for you; I included him at $35 / hr -- you say you only pay him $18 / hr. why would you expect me to charge you $35 an hour for two men when in the past I've always charged you that anount for just my services.? It really doesn’t matter to me what's in your past; please don’t ask this, it’s silly. |
 October 25, 2013 9:14:11 AMi'll send money to you tomorrow but it won't be quite the amount you want and I'll explain that later when I have time to write you. YES! An INVOICE would be an acceptable explanation. You keep saying you’ll send one but nothing happens. yes I did compute the numbers wrong and I'll correct that part BUT… I am still waiting; have been waiting for weeks and weeks now. waiting for them to match two different colors Really? Waiting? WHY? What I usually do, is drop the sample off and pick it up the next day after the colors have been matched. It’s not necessary to “have your colors matched while you wait”. Nobody needs me for that! That’s what I usually do. In fact, I did pick up the colors the next day, as you asked me to do. you'd rather complain later hand have up come back I think you may have forgotten at least one ellipsis. I didn't charge for travel time and still won't Thanks. I’d be surprised if you had charged for driving here. I’ve never been asked to pay for showing up. […] extra trip back there and the extra time mentioned above. So, deduct two hours for return trip work which is $70.00 , 30 mins at Kwals which is $17.50, 15 mins buying your products at home depot described above which is about $9.00. If this is agreeable then no charge on travel time or the .4 of an hour unloading and loading tools. I have the money here but want to see first if you have anything else to add here before I send it to you... This is utter gibberish to me. I do know that you billed for $17 hours, yes? If I had a legible PRINTED INVOICE I’d understand what you are saying! MAKE ONE for god’s Sake! You said many times that you’d do that! If you have the money, then please send it without delay! When you threatened to put this on facebook and other places… This isn’t a treat for christ’s sake! Many people blog nowadays, it’s very common. I’m one of those. People say online what happened during the day. They blog about what’s been happening, the good and the bad. That’s the age we’re living in now, for better or for worse. I mentioned it to you when we were in the bathroom, shortly before you left here. It’s all on the tape, the audio file I sent you yesterday: "That's
the way it is..." .
Please listen to it again. No threats, just
documentation. And if I said anything here that’s
incorrect, please let me know so that I can correct it.I don't even use my facebook Too much information! Then when you sent that nasty email the other day using the F-word, I was really taken back by it. It’s taken aback, Gary! As with much of your grammar, punctuation and arithmetic, you are an enigma to me! (and I mean that in a nice way) Fuck is an ancient time honored English word in common usage. Every language has and uses it daily. Get over it; grow up and don’t be such a smellfungus (noun: A habitual faultfinder or complainer). |
| October 30, 2013 at 11:55:15 AM Then there's the part where you aren't willing to do a walk through as we call it in the business Yes. I saw your painting-on-a-stick smear job outside and I knew I’d see similarly sloppy work inside so I made short shrift of it. Besides, I knew you’d not be back. And that last day you were here I learned that you’d not be back. Not unless I paid you extra to re-finish the job and do it properly. I asked you to re-do your work in exchange for the small percentage I had withheld and you agreed. You came back and wanted more. To make a long story short, I even said I’d give you that remainder, you do nothing and just leave. Apparently that wasn’t good enough for your pride, then you went out from the bathroom and prepared to smear paint with your stick onto the pillars. Then it seemingly occurred to you, well maybe leaving now would be a good idea and you offered that you’d leave now and I’d only have to pay you $50. I turned around and slammed the door. It’s all on the tape, door slam and all. The I took some pictures of you “working” on my property. I guess you just don't get it. Why would I want to rush the job then? You might want to work quickly in order to please the victim - I mean customer - and not have to charge too much. Call it honesty, efficiency, self-interest, if you like; I don’t know. I took pictures of you as well so if you want your face to show up too....it will as will some of this other stuff I know about you. You had no permission to take pictures in my house or on my property. If I decide to make a web page and if you want to see my picture there, I’ll add one of myself, just tell me. |
| October 30, 2013 at 8:05:15 PM
When I told you I'd send another invoice....that was before you threatened to put me on the web in a negative write up of course... Up until now, I thought you were only sloppy in your bookkeeping, etc., but now it seems that you may be a liar! Only yesterday I sent you the audio tape for your review, the mp3
file
that’s now on your iPad, the recoding taken on the last
day that you were in my bathroom during the
walk-through, as you call it!LATER (sic), you promised repeatedly to make a new INVOICE! In this tape, I assured you “I’m not going to say anything on the internet that isn’t true” You said “OK, thanks, great, you can say what you like…” and then you proceeded with your mantra “I’ve been in business for thirty-eight years…” To say that I’m NOT posting what isn’t true, is not a threat unless perhaps there is something to hide. I’m extremely careful to protect your rights by not lying about anything. Just the facts. So don't tell me what was before and what was after, bub. and with my picture. That was also before you decided to cheat me out of time I'd worked for you. The time you worked, is it the time you billed, or did you make a mistake in that too, as well in the simple arithmetic to add up those hours? I don’t understand, are you now retroactively trying to bill me for more hours than on the invoice which I paid? I’m confused! AS for the elipses as you call them... I couldn't care less about these elipses. You learned a new word “elipses”, but unfortunately only almost. It’s really ellipsis - singular, and the plural is ellipses. And it’s not just I who calls those dots that, everybody does. Even Siri in your iPad understands it. Try it. What I notice though is that every time I write you with explanations as to why I'm being fair and you are not...you just ignore the content which I know you understand. You say “know”, but you don't know. You are using FAITH again! "Faith is something you believe that nobody in his right mind would believe." ~ Archie Bunker You have never addressed my statements which tells me that you know you are wrong in what you're trying to do. A folksy story of you travails while waiting the paint color to be mixed, as you said, etc. is not an invoice and I need to know where my money went. |
| RE: "Remember, you told me that you would be putting
all this on line if I didn't pay you what you wanted." Wrong. Read my lips; I never said "IF". I said I would surely bear the testimony of what happened. I'll do that honestly, from beginning to end, no matter what the outcome (such as receiving what you owe or my not being refunded completely because of your math "mistake"). It's a blog -- kind of like journalism, for Christ's sake! [October 31, 2013] |
 From: Gary Gish <garygish@gmail.com>Subject: Re: You have never addressed my statements which tells me Date: October 31, 2013 at 11:20:43 AM Ok....Its quite evident that you have nothing else to do but to with your time but to sit around and write these threatening emails. Remember, you told me that you would be putting all this on line if I didn't pay you what you wanted. Isn't that a threat in itself and you said you have our conversations recorded too. For what purpose? If you did record it all then you must have recorded the part where you told me that you wanted just the medium job done. Listen to your tapes. As for your threats about revealing all this on the web, why don't you handle this problem the way men normally do and take it to small claims court. As I told you, I would welcome that. and if the judge ruled in your favor (which you know he wouldn't) then you'd get the money you felt you were owed. And don't tell me that I knew something about your wife and was threatening in any way, She, unlike you, seems to be a very nice person. What I was referring to was when you told me that you were having an old girlfriend staying down stairs unbeknownst to your wife. That, I thought was disgusting. So, get it straight and don't make statements that I didn't say. That was just a reflection on your character, not hers. Anyway, I don't have time for this anymore and will not even be reading your emails except for your next and last one. Not because its right and that I owe you the money but to end this whole thing once and for all. I will not not only send you a new invoice but will also (sic) send you half of the money we are disputing about IF you agree in writing here to just stop everything you claimed or threatened to do on the web or to put me on google with my picture or to mention this dispute to anyone or any group or organization or facebook or whatever. Deal? It's not that it affects me anyway, since my business isn't from there anyway,...I just don't like it. You just need to take the low road don't you and try to ruin a man's name rather than take it to court which is what the courts are for. Why? At least you stand to gain something if the courts rule in your favor. The way you choose to go...you would get nothing other than the sick satisfaction that you were able to defame a man's character. I believe this is the first incident I've had like this in 38 years of working with the public...so, don't tell me its all me. You next email to me will be the last one I read so make it good. I have just two questions for you to answer though. Why don't you comment on my statements as to the difference between bidding jobs and working by the hour. I've explained it twice and you just skim over it. Why don't you get it anyway,? If the above is agreed upon then I'll have the new invoice and money sent to you tomorrow and will bid you a farewell. The second question is why do you choose the low road rather than take to the courts when you have disputes like this.( I'm sure you've had many now that I know you better).? One more thing, for a man who seems to like to impress people with his command of the written word as I'm sure you' re trying do here, then why is it even necessary to use the swear words that you do or take the Lords name in vain. I'm more impressed with a man's character than hi use of the language. So, spare me on this...not impressed in the least. Here's the deal, on your next email which will be your last email to me, I want you to know that for every one of these words used I'll delay your invoice and check for one day. I, also, want honest answers the my questions here as well. very sincerely, gary |
| From: Gary Gish <garygish@gmail.com> Subject: Re: Searching "gary gish complaints" on yahoo Date: December 1, 2013 at 7:53:14 PM MST and all this for a dispute over $104.00. Let the record show that I suggested three times now that you take me to small claims court over this and let the courts decide who is right. You have chosen the low road and would rather ruin a mans name than just try to get money you feel is owed you. Ok...but sometimes choosing this route could work against you. My girl friend was listening to KSL radio recently where a lady put a contractors name on the internet telling of his poor work. They said that she can't do that even if the complaints have merit. She was sued by the contractor. I have email proof that you have cost me business as a lady named Olga, who I have done work for in the past has chosen not to have me do her work again because of your remarks. I have plenty of work going but this still bothers me and it needs to be stopped. The judge, if it comes to that, will know that I tried to get you to take care of this in small claims court which is the right way to handle this kind of stuff. A man's name is nothing to be trifled with. Anyway, I'll take you up on the rebuttle on this but will write that this week when I have time. As for the false information you mentioned....I would say that the main thing that bothers me is that you are just not telling the whole truth about what happened. I'll explain it in my rebuttle. ok Merry Christmas...gary Sent from my iPad |
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Now this time
though...he called me to paint his bathroom my normal
rate of
$35.00
and hour
[... ]So, I came back and corrected the things
he complained about and AGAIN asked him to do a "walk
through" with me to see if all was to his liking [... ] I did
make a mistake in my calculations on the bill he has
posted [... ] What does bother me is that he
doesn't mention the amount I returned nor did his
picture show the work repaired
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