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From: Bruce  
Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 1999
Subject: Hi

To Whom it May Concern:
I Have to express my opinons after reading that some people have fallen away from the church after reading your web site. First of all, I don't see why you chose to pick on Mormons. If our church isn't the real church of Chirst, and yours is, and he saw what you were doing to us, do you think he would think it was very Chirst-like? I don't think so. Second, we are chirstans too. Our full church name is The church of JESUS CHRIST of Latter days Saints. Why would we put Christ in there is we weren't Chirstans. I really wish you would just leave us alone, Even if what we believe is wrong, You should let people make up there own mind. We don't pick on other churchs, and they shouldn't pick on us. I am not asking you to believe what we do, just Respect us for what we believe.

Sincerly,
a Youth

Mormons complaining...


ELOHIMWhat u wrote here is plain and simple BS. u dunno wut ur talkin about...to 
bring up things like space travel and nazis and stuff like that, and saying 
that we believe blacks are inferior, and all that stuff about the liahona, no 
man....that's wrong and u know it full well. y r u doin this, huh? wut 
could possibly make u wanna write this stuff? words don't express how i feel 
about this and u need to get this off the web. it's a lie, taking mormon 
doctrine and twisting it around like that. u, my friend, are wrong...and 
nothing u can say or do can change that fact in my mind or the millions of 
other mormon minds out there. think about it...who did u consult on this 
stuff? do u hold the priesthood? u need to think about what that priesthood 
stands for. it stands for a church ordained by god to be the only true 
church out there...not some cult who thinks certain races are inferior or 
that we travel in space or that Kolob or heaven are visible. and what's w/ 
this astronomy crap? ya byu's tryin to find Kolob. ok. wutever. get real, 
this isn't some science fiction novel or some obscure cult...this is the true 
church. that's it. u, my friend, are just polluting the minds of many 
nonmormons...like two of my close friends who now laugh at my religion 
without remorse. i'd laugh too if i wasn't mormon. but i am...and i'm 
telling u to get ur head out of ur butt and get this stuff of the net if u 
have any respect for our religion at all. any site that talks about kissing 
hanks ass and has erotic or porns ads at the bottom and CLAIMS to be 
mormon-related is definately not good in the eyes of the church or even god. 
such is your website. get it off. please.


From: matt ???@???.com
To: comments
Subject: hello i really injoyed your stuff.............
Date: Thu, 30 Jan 1997 


you guys suck and you must need attention so heres some attention for ya 
get you facts  streight and if your life  consits  of anything better than 
trying to discredit the mormon church then I suggetst  that you take haste 
and get right to it because your all a bunch of looser's who obviously 
can't amount to much if anything at all, and who are fool's and 
hypocrytes....who profess to know the truth and jesus and you know  knothing 
you dont teach jesus or his word...your just a living host a virus that 
attaches it self for lack of attention you looser's........... get alife 
really join the catholic church, seventh day, or born again, or even the 
church of england become a mormorn,....what ever shut the hell up, grow up 
and stop spreading your rubbish i read some of you stuff what a bunch of 
looser's....ha ha ha...can't get your story's straight can 
you...loosers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Date: Tuesday, February 09

You know, I just checked out your page again, and I went to the comments
page.  I read the particular comment from a "matt" who didn't leave his
email adress.  Well,he accused you of not knowing Jesus, or something like
that, which is funny.  The reason I laugh is because well, the way he
phrased that entire letter didn't sound like he knew Jesus either.  Then he
proceeded to slam on 3 or 4 other religions... that doesn't seem right.

---"... that doesn't seem right."  Your words judge the fellow.  I say
you can't function without judging things, situations and people.  Judging is
good for you. Judging is categorizing.  Categorizing is stereotyping.
Stereotyping is required for thinking.


One of Jesus' major teachings throughout the Bible is that one should not
judge another under any circumstance, because he will be the final judge
over all people.  But hey, he seemed to be mormon, so we'll let him do
that, because by his belief, he can judge as many people as he wants as
long as he says the following in church every sunday: I know this church is
true and I don't listen to any real facts because I have been taught to be
ignorant and I like it that way...  So anyway, I just thought that was
ironic and thought I'd say so.  There you go, thanks...
-Tom-

--- all religions are stupid, even yours if you have one.  There is no
evidence of any gods.


P.S.  If you would please post this under matt's comment, I would be quite
grateful...  thanks!

--- You're welcome, This is your post, along with my comments.


Date: Monday, April 26, 1999
Subject: what's up with that??

Hello mormons,
I saw your theory on mormonism and was very enlightened to hear what
you had to say.  I am raised a catholic and was intrigued.  All the
beliefs that I knew are completely opposite on what you have stated. 
Why are any other Christians wrong. I found it very interesting that
something i had been told since birth by those that were supposedly
learned in this area or were doing things for my best interest and for
my well being but, now seeing your site, i found that my loved ones
and those i respect including myself are just a bunch of ignorant
bafoons!  Maybe they think that you are wrong.  How could you even say
that.  I don't think that you are really Christians at all.  I know
people who believe that Mormonism is a cult.  What do you think???  
See you, and your whole religion can just mind their own business and
do what they do and worship what they worship but they should keep it
to themselves and not preach to everyone they see and see as a
possible upand coming mormon.

bye.thanx for enlightening us to the "right way of
worshipping":)*&%$*


Date: Monday, April 26, 1999
Subject: MORMONISM


U MUST FEEL REALLY GO ABOUT PUBLICATING(sic) THE TEMPLE WORKS OF THE CHURCH
OF JESUS CHRIST ON THE INTERNET.   BUT THERE IS SO MUCH YOU DONT KNOW
AND THINGS THAT YOU HAVE NOT REALIZED.   ON YOUR EFFORT TO PUBLICLY
CRITICIZE THE CHURCH YOU HAVE NOT LEARN MUCH ON  WHAT YOU WERE TOLD OR
TAUGHT.   AS FOR ME I HAVE BEEN A MEMBER FOR ALL MY LIFE AND AT A YOUNG
AGE I DID NOT LIKE THE CHURCH.   BUT  AS I GOT OLDER I START TO NOTICE
SOMETHINGS.   THAT WAS PEOPLE WHO PROFESSED TO BE CHRISTIAN SPENT ALL
THERE TIME PROVING OTHER CHURCH WERE WRONG AND NOT SPENDING TIME THAT
THE LORD GAVE THEM TO TEACH THOSE WHO REALLY WANTED TO KNOW ABOUT JESUS
CHRIST AND AHEIST SPEND ALL THERE TIME PROVING THERE IS NO GOD.   THAT
THEY DIE STILL WONDERING AND THEY WASTED THERE LIFE AWAY WHICH COULD
HAVE BEEN SPENT DO OTHER THINGS.   THEN WORRYING AND BEEN PERSECUTED FOR
A GOD THAT THEY DONT BELIEVE IN RIGHT I MEAN KNOW ONE WILL REALLY KNOW
UNTIL THEY DIE RIGHT SO WHY TELL OR CRITICIZE OTHERS.   LIVE LIFE TO ITS
FULLEST AND BE HAPPY .   THEN WHEN WE DIE THE TRUE SHOULD BE KNOWN AND
PEOPLE WILL  LIVE WITH GOD, GODS, ANGEL, SAINTS, SPIRITS,  BE
REINCARNATED, BECAME MICROBS, OR JUST BE IN A DARK NOTHING.    BUT WHAT
DO YOU SAY ABOUT OTHER RELIGION OTHER THAN CHRISTIANTY LIKE BUDDISM,
HUDDISM,  OR NATIVE AMERICAN THEY ALL BELIEVE IN SOME HIGHER BEING AND
MANY OF THE NATIVE AMERICAN TEACHINGS AND BELIEFS ARE SIMILAR TO MORMON
BELIEF IN GOD AND MANY OF THE THINGS I HAVE BEEN TAUGHT AS A LITTLE BOY
OF INDIAN BELIEFS ARE IN FACT SIMILAR TO THE TEMPLE WORK YOU HAVE SO
HAPPILY POSTED.  I  HOPE IN TIME YOU MAY SHOW RESPECT TO THINGS OTHER
PEOPLE HOLD SACRED AND VICE VERSA. 
MAY YOU FIND YOUR QUEST KNOW WHAT IS TRUE WITHOUT CRITICIZING OR
PUBLICAING WHAT OTHER HOLD SACRED IN THERE HEARTS...........


Sent: Friday, June 18, 1999

Hello again,

I have just returned after being out of the office for a couple days. I did
glance over the three pages you referenced. I cannot argue with the quotes
-- I have no doubt that you have quoted correctly. What I do question is
your motive and interpretation. What do you hope to accomplish through
these pages?

Knowing nothing about you -- not even your name -- but going on the
materials you have chosen to present here, I would almost be inclined to
believe that you are a disillusioned current member/former member of the
church. You are certainly not like Born-Agains I have spoken with/listened
to/read from. And I don't think I've ever met a real live atheist before --
I don't think I could relate very well to someone who denies the existence
of God in general, especially given that the world abounds with evidence of
very intelligent design in nearly everything.

Your knowledge of church doctrine is substantial, and yet it has a strange
twist, as if you want to believe the more sinister side of everything. You
sound like a "Sunstone" magazine reader, talking about "santizing" Church
records, history, books, etc. Keep in mind that past and present church
leaders are humans with human foibles, and that not everything they every
say or write is necessarily church doctrine. You remind me of an
aunt-in-law who has read some books by people who believe Christ is going
to return to the earth in the spaceship. I would not rule out that
possibility, but I personally tend to believe that his method of travel
is something more sophisticated than that (because of the account of Joseph
Smith when Moroni appeared in his bedroom). I am absolutely fascinated with
his detailed description of how, when Moroni was preparing to depart each
time, the light began to gather around him and then a conduit (as it
were) opened, through the roof his house, and then he ascended straight up
into heaven until Joseph couldn't see him anymore. I think that's neat, and
look forward to the time when I can travel in the same way. Yes, Heavenly
Father, Christ, and the Holy Ghost reside somewhere in space. But I think
terming them "space aliens" is incorrect.

If you're read Mormon Doctrine (and I gather from your writings that you
have), then I have nothing "doctrinal" to add but the "Gospel According to
Chad." What more can I tell you? I don't have the time to go through all of
your materials and tell you my views on each topic -- nor do I think that
is a productive use of my time anyway.

I bear testimony to you that I have received a witness of the
truthfulness of the Book of Mormon as the "cornerstone of our religion" and
the "most correct of any book on the earth, and continue to receive this
confirmation every time I read from its pages with real intent. I know that
the Gospel is true as taught by the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day
Saints, and that this is the only true and living church upon the face of
the earth. I have been married in the temple and look forward to enjoying
being with my family throughout the eternities. I do not have a perfect
knowledge -- I still walk by faith -- but I have received sufficient
confirmation of the truthfulness of these things that I can and will never
deny them.

I will answer your specific questions, but will not take the time to
provide you my interpretation of all of your various web pages. By the way,
your picture of the missionary with blinders on does, in fact, accurately
describe some missionaries. It does not accurately describe me or many
other missionaries I have known. I have studied many different world
religions. I frequently read from Confucius and the Dao De Jing. I have
attended many different religious services, both Christian and non,
including Hare Krishna. I see truth in the world all around me -- even in
the Star Wars movies. Truth is where you find it. We do not have a monopoly
on truth -- we have a fulness of the truth. In other words, we have
sufficient correct knowledge to be able to fulfill our purpose upon this
earth and receive our exaltation. There are a LOT of things that we do
not know, many which I would like to know, but because they are not
relevant to our salvation and exaltation, God does not care to reveal them
to us. Eventually, we (mankind) find out a lot of these things on our own
(i.e. science, medicine, geology, mathematics, etc.) -- all useful
information, but not necessary for salvation and exaltation.

Whew! That's a long one.  I don't have time to delve into the 
lesser-known corners of church doctrine.  If anything, your bringing 
up the "stranger" doctrines of the church  will serve to bring the 
curious to a knowledge of the truthfulness of the church.

Regards,
Chad


From: Bruce

Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 1999 
Subject: Hi


To Whom it May Concern:
I Have to express my opinons after reading that some people have fallen away from the church after reading your web site. First of all, I don't see why you chose to pick on Mormons. If our church isn't the real church of Chirst, and yours is, and he saw what you were doing to us, do you think he would think it was very Chirst-like? I don't think so. Second, we are chirstans too. Our full church name is The church of JESUS CHRIST of Latter days Saints. Why would we put Christ in there is we weren't Chirstans. I really wish you would just leave us alone, Even if what we believe is wrong, You should let people make up there own mind. We don't pick on other churchs, and they shouldn't pick on us. I am not asking you to believe what we do, just Respect us for what we believe.

Sincerly,
a Youth-----------------------

[EDITOR'S REPLY]:

I am by no means a 'Sunstoner', Chad... what a bunch of goof-balls [they are]! I'm reading and learning about Mormonism, and I'm publishing what I find.  Thanks for reviewing my pages.  So, we seem to agree about the racism of the LDS church -- correct me if I'm wrong.  And the often-maligned Facsimile B, I presume, is also represented en toto and fairly.

On denying god:  you must know, of course, that the reasoning used to deny many gods can be used to deny the One god -- and that the reason for believing in one God (or trinity, or other singular God-plexes) is the same for believing in many gods. Including Zeus, and Quezalcoatl, the Jesus of Mormon Pre-Columbian America. Plus all of the thousands of hordes humanity's religions. Right?  I really need to know if this is right.

RE:

"You sound like a "Sunstone" magazine reader, talking about "sanitizing" Church
records, history, books, etc."  I must correct you here... I don't think I have tried
to sanitize anything.  I'm really sorry, friend, but I think you are making this up.
Please respond with an example, from my writing, what you really mean.

I am counting on you to help set the record straight -- as I said, I will correct, on my pages, what is wrong -- it is up to you to help fix it.  Nobody else has volunteered.  Remember, I am not interested in YOUR opinion, but in the facts that substantiate the CORRECT Mormon belief and credo.  I have tens of thousands of readers, Mormon and gentiles and goyem, they deserve a correct idea of what Mormonism has to offer -- what it is all about.  And nobody else has volunteered.

Why do you think the term "space alien" ins not proper for a being that hails from outer space, in the constellation Cancer, sector 2813?  This use of the term seems to be the sine qua non, quintessential condition of the term.  Correct me if this is different!

It is interesting how you describe the way in which you, too, wish to "beam up", like Moroni, to far-away destination in outer space.  I think this star-treck imagery is further evidence of the Mormon view that we humans (post Australopithecines, no doubt) ARE space beings, alien to this planet, and taking advantage of it for only a short period of time, in order to save ourselves a proper place on the planet KOLOB. This I glean from the Scriptures -- as far as they are translated correctly.

What do you mean by this:

"I do not have a perfect knowledge -- I still walk by faith -- but I have received sufficient
confirmation of the truthfulness of these things that I can and will never deny them
....your picture of the missionary with blinders on does, in fact, accurately
describe some missionaries. It does not accurately describe me..." ?

It seems almost as if you say "My mind is made up, don't confuse me with facts", and then you add "I didn't mean ME!"

What's going on here? 

Please save the "testimony bearing" This -- seems completely useless. Mmost other churches' adherents do the same -- this gets us nothing.  Only a fool would believe a false doctrine.  And according to Mormonism, there are plenty of such fooled people who need to be converted to Mormonism.

What, besides faith, should convince us that Mormonism is right?  After all, EVERY religion is faith-based. If faith can lead one (i.e. non-Mormons) to a false conclusion, what good is it?  Why is Mormon faith superior to that of Baptists and Moslems, for example??  It seems that faith is the proposition that an unlikely or hard- to-believe thing is really true, regardless of the evidence to the contrary!

Faith -- correct me if this is wrong -- is the proposition that belief "X" is the right one, regardless of the evidence -- nay, in spite of (scientific) evidence to the contrary. I think this is an important issue and needs to be examined...


Sent: Sunday, June 20, 1999
Subject: Re: questions...

Jowles,

Glad to hear you are not a Sunstoner. I must agree with you there.


On racism:
There are probably members of the church who are racists. The church is not
a racist organization, nor do we teach racism. Since Pres. Kimball received
the revelation in 1978 regarding giving the priesthood to all worthy
members of the church. I do not know the full extent of why blacks were
denied the priesthood prior to that time, and frankly, I don't care. It is
irrelevant.

--- It is racist to make that blacks descendents of Cain.  Pure and simple.  Smith was a racist, and so were many of the other prophets.  The churches' denial of this only adds dishonesty to the list of sins it must bear.  Your whitewashing is the same, Chad.

On the facsimile:
I didn't look at your facsimile B all that closely -- just glanced at it.
If you copied it right out of the Pearl of Great Price, it would be
correct. Personally, I never got a great deal out of the facsimiles,
partially because of all the "ought not to be revealed at this time"
statements. Incidentally, the only cannonized facsimiles are numbered 1, 2,
and 3.

--- You are not helpful.  This is completely different from what you first promised.  In fact you have not yet offered any counter-arguments and evidence.  All I've gotten is drivel genuflecting testimony bearing.

On denying god:
Do you? By design, we were not meant to have a perfect knowledge of the
existence of god. Most of the physical evidence is "circumstantial." If we
had a knowledge of god, our earth life would be irrelevant. After all, who,
knowing of a certainty that there is a god, would willfully disobey him and
risk losing an inheritance?

--- So here you admit circumstantial evidence exists that Zeus, et al are the true gods.  How queer!

On my opinion:
Sorry again. That's about all I can give you with any degree of certainty
other than quoting scripture. I freely admit that there is much more for me
to learn. I have read the Book of Mormon cover to cover, but I have yet to
read the Bible, the Pearl of Great Price, or the D&C in their entirety --
let alone all the commentaries, histories, etc. Ask me again when I am 80
(50 years from now). I will probably know a lot more then.

--- You won't know an iota more when you are old and senile, my mormon apologist ex-correspondent.  Especially if you continue avoiding real book learning. Get an education, read a book.  A biology book.  A history Book. A science book.  Literature!  Read the Mormon Source documents!  Read the Facsimiles!  Read the books posted on my web pages, for christ's sake! And go here; http://nowscape.com/potato.htm , and in 10 minutes you will find out how uneducated you are.

---You are of no use to me.  You know NOTHING of the subjects on my web pages, you waffle and snivel drivel.  I am displeased the you made me waste, under the pretense of being helpful.  The Lessons of the Mormon former LDS General Authority Paul Dunn still reverberate in your psyche:  "It's OK to lie as long as the lie illustrates Mormon principles of truth".  These things I say in the name of jesus christ, Amen.  Pay Lay elle abbi ibbi Enish-go-on-dosh num; atra Oliblish guulag stoopad dum Ale.

--- You can always re-visit your correspondence here: nowscape.com/mormon/thank-no.htm

--- Jowles


Sent: Sunday, June 20, 1999
Subject: I'm sorry I was rude to you -- My LAST message



Jowles,

OK. I will not write you again. This is the last thing I will write, I promise!

On the subject of education, since you urge me repeatedly to get one:

"O that cunning plan of the evil one! O the vainness, and the frailties,
and the foolishness of men! When they are learned they think they are wise,
and they hearken not unto the counsel of God, for they set it aside,
supposing they know of themselves, wherefore, their wisdom is foolishness
and it profiteth them not. And they shall perish. But to be learned is good
if they hearken unto the counsels of God." (2 Nephi 2:28-9)

I apologize for being rude to you. I should not have done that, and I'm
sorry. I would prefer that you not post our private correspondence on the
web, however. Or at least please don't post my name on your website. I
would be grateful if you would respect my wishes in this matter.

No reply is required. You will not hear from me again. Sorry we could not
part friends. I wish you well.

Chad

FYI, Chad --

  The bible-quotes (as far as they are translated correctly) are insulting,
as is your testimony-bearing.  Neither contains any facts.  I find it
difficult to imagine what the Holy Babble passage regarding the "evil one"
and the foolishness of men has to do with me, unless you intend to insult
me.

In the same breath you apologize for being rude!  How queer!  You attempt to
insult me in one passage simultaneously offer a genuflecting groveling
apology.  Are you crazy??  This, in light of the fact that you had not
previously insulted me.

Though I found it amusing, that after you had offered to "help" me with my
web site, you only offered your empty knee-jerk Pay Lay Ale testimony.  I
was not surprised or insulted, of course.  You Mormon apologist all do that,
and no more.  Being nice, groveling and genuflecting is about the strength
of your moral battery.  You Mormon religionist apologists  are all a bunch
of intellectual wind-bags, with nothing but memorized Wholly Babble slogans
and ignorant faith-thumping.  Faith, which any fool knows leads to the
opinion that your religion is the only true one, while a like zealot of an
opposing faith uses their faith to "prove your faith wrong".

I suggest you would be more valued as a human, in marveling at the yet
unknown wonders of our universe, of DNA, and the myriads of wonders that
result from the interaction of these and other self-assembling molecules and
self-ordering  processes.  Perhaps this all sounds Greek to you.  It's not
my job to educate you.

 Be that as it may -- I suggest you would be much happier in learning how
things work instead of robotically repeating the tired slogans of your
racist, polytheistic, polygamist, tax-exempt, 10%,
outer-space-Egyptology-centered, anti-education, secret handshake, precious
vessel misogynic, angel-Moronic, religion.


What is insulting is that you support an institution which increases my tax
burden.  (Churches do not pay taxes.  The government would need less money
from me if churches did not weasel out of paying their fair share of the tax
burden.  I state this here only because you had probably not though of it
before.)


Sent: Friday, July 02, 1999
Subject: Just my two cents.

    Before I start this e-mail... yes, I am LDS.  I joined the Church about a year ago when I was 15.  I'm all for free speech and free thought.   If it wasn't for them, I wouldn't have found the Church.
                    -- Adam Knox
 

    I came across your site while at my father's house earlier this week.  Ever sense I joined the Church my father and I have had problems.  He is a very vocal anit-mormon, who masks his hate by calling it "searching for the unbiased truth".  He reads books about all the "evil" things the Church has done, and he constantly finds web pages like yours.  I've kept my mouth shut, and I've forgiven hundreds of hurtful words.  But I still can't understand why people fight so hard, why the mock and persecute.  I can deal with the every day people on the street, but when my own father tells me flat out that the things I believe and hold dear are trash... that just hits to close.  Pages like yours give my father ammunition to make me feel worthless.  I've taken numerous emotional scars trying to let my father know what I believe.  I urge you to reconsider the things you said and written, and get in contact with some helpful members of the Church.  Thank you for your time.

                Adam 

Adam --

Only a fool would have a false religion.  Agreed?

Your father's religion is as stupid as yours -- if he has one.   If he is an atheist, which I doubt, considering his quote, then he has an education; he knows how things work.  He told you that Mormonism is "searching for the unbiased truth" ??  Searching for the unbiased truth is very admirable, my friend, in any endeavor!  But this (religious) kind of "search for truth" will lead to blind faith, my friend.  It is only based on faith to begin with!  Faith is the proposition that what one believes is true, only because only because one believes it -- in spite of lack of evidence -- despite evidence to the contrary of the belief.  Faith is like assholes -- everybody has got one.  Faith is the foundation of your religion and of all false religions.  (Atheism does not rely on faith.).   Read books, get an education.  Think for yourself.  Don't accept what everyone tells you.  Religion is the enemy of education; and right now I fear, they have you where they want you.

Pay lay Ale!


Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 1999
 Since you are so into this Mormon belief that all planets are inhabitable. How do you feel about Joseph Smith's prophesy that there are "Men Living on the Moon, 6 feet tall, dressed like Quakers that live for 1,000 years?" And Brigham Young's prophesy that "There are people living on the sun too, it was not made in vain." WE HAVE BEEN TO THE MOON AND FOUND NO INHABITANTS. WE KNOW YOU CAN NOT LIVE ON THE SUN. IT IS TOO HOT. So, if they falsely propheted that nonsense, what else is false? I hope you will look into the history of your church to find out what you Mormon's really believe.


This is your Nephite Sighting Verification COUPON.
Remarks
You people ought to be ashamed of yourselves! How dare you print such garbage! You have no right to defile God like that. You may think that this is a big joke, but YOU ARE HURTING INNOCENT PEOPLE!!!

Good people who would never insult your intelligence they way you are insulting them. I happen to be one of those people and am very thankfull for it.

How do you people live with yourselves! Are you that sarcastic, that evil?!! Think about what you are doing. This site is wrong!

- - -  http://www.nowscape.com/mormon/3nephites.htm


Sent: Thursday, September 02

Kevin,
I believe that I have found the original source for the website's and
your claim that Joseph Smith said that Kolob is located in the
constallation Cancer, sector 2813. I did some searching on the web. Now, I know
that the website doesn't claim that it was Joseph Smith but you did.
The original source for claiming Kolob is in the constallation Cancer
comes directly from your website. The author made it up. I found the
admitance of that while I searched the web for information on it. I
found a posted e-mail between a man named Daniel Peterson and KRP who is
apparently the creator or one of the creators of the site. KRP won't
even give his name. However, he does admit making it up. Here is an
excerpt from the e-mail. You can read the entire e-mail at:
http://www.teleport.com/~novak/worst/dan_mail.htm [extinct URL -- ed.]
KRP said,"It's BYU's astronomy department, BTW, who puts your home
planet in Cancer. Correct me if I'm wrong."

Kamron


Sent: Friday, December 03, 1999 
To: Mastur_Philes
Subject: RE: Mormon Masterbation


Please post this to your "readers' comments" section, but I strongly suspect
that you won't, because you don't want anyone to hear what I have to say...

The part that truly amazes me the most is that ANYONE reading this site
could actually believe that this site is even sponsored by an LDS person,
let alone ENDORSED by the LDS church! This is the most obvious smear
campaign I have ever seen on any topic. It is set up by someone who knows
quite a bit about the religion (most likely a former member who had to leave
or bitter terms). It has enough "fact" to it to make it believable to
someone who doesn't know much about the LDS religion, and then exploits the
misconceptions that already exists about the religion. Anyone who posted to
this site thinking it had ANYTHING to do with the LDS religion should be
ashamed of themselves for being so gullible. Use your heads, people!


-Bryan


Sent: Sunday, December 19, 1999 
Subject: this site


This is the weakest Anti-Morman site I have ever seen.


Sent: Sunday, December 26, 1999
Subject: my goodness


How much time do you have on your hands? Sorry about
that Matt guy. He was very rude. But still, is your
life quest to mess people, so confuse them, to twist
words. I do not have an absolute complete belief of
any church or anything of God. But neither do you. I
have as much proof to contradict you, as you have me.

--- That sounds stupid. How can proof come in both PRO and CON varieties? They can't both be proof. If proof exists, that means the issue has been settled. That's what proof means.



It's all in intpretation. I've noticed, except for
Chad's letter. Every letter posted makes Mormons out
to be bad, rude people. Shame on you- you can't expect
everyone to be perfect unless you are. Are you? answer

--- I don't know what it means for a perfect person to be perfect. If we were all perfect, we would all be identical. Sounds stupid to me. Is this a trick question? Are you a trickster? Answer truthfully. On second thought, don't. I've got better things to do with my time than to entertain our goofy tricks.



truthfully. That Matt guy might grow up and turn into
some guy or girl like you, trying to make fun of and
ridule the church.

--- Nothing bad can come of ridiculing churches, faiths, religions, or any other superstition. They all ridicule each other by saying they each are true and the others are false. If it were otherwise, there would be only one church -- the true one. But all churches claim they have a unique ownership of the truth.



I promise you right not that your accusations of
"sex rituals in the temple" are no good! Just wrong.

--- I don't remember talking about that.


I believe that anyone is licensed to their own
opinion. But you have gone out and ridiculed peoples
deepest, most cheerest beliefs. That is wrong. You
have no right to twist ones world, and tell me that
I'm wrong. 

--- It happens to be MY deeply cherished, cheerest [sic] belief to tell you are wrong. IN fact, as you read my replies above you with see that I disagree with almost every point your little pin-head claims. You're goofy, silly and uneducated and probably still young. Correct me if I'm wrong, don't deny MY deeply cherished, belief that I must tell each booboisie like you that they are full of shit.



The reason why no one- suppossidly no one,
"volunteers to 'set you straight'" Is because you
don't care. And if you do, I'm completely apologize.

--- maybe you are only a partially apologize. Perhaps English is your second language? (It's ok, it's mine, too:)


If you are truely concerned with knowing the truth.
Then I can certainly set up and appointment for you
with missioniares. Actually- you could do that
yourself. If you want to know, find out. Stop waisting
peoples time, and take the truth to make lies out of
it. I challenge to read the Book of Mormon. If you

--- Yes, I will accept you offer to send the Mormon missionaries to my house. There are quite a few questions I have about Mormonism... I still can't understand or believe most of it. I'm serious -- bring on the missionaries, let me know, thanks!



really want to know. Pray, not intending to mock, if
you're going to do that much. Read the Bible too! Both

--- I can't pray. But YOU can. YOU pray for me. Let's see if it works. I'll try to remain the way I am, thwarting God's will, and you will pray that god changes me. Let's see who is stronger, me, or God. If I don't change, I will think that I beat God and He and your prayers are as onto wet farts.



have some great things to say, that help make the
person, better. I want to become the best that I can
be. And I've decided that the best way to do that is
through the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day
Saints. 
Something you had on your site was about God and
Jesus in the grove looking exactly alike. They didn't
mean IDENTICAL. Hello? Please tell if you're trying to
be confused, or honestly. If you truely want to know,
and want someone to 'set you straight' on Mormons. I
know just the guy. Man, he can talk my head off, think
what he could do for you. Also, I'd like to see
scripture refresenses, also non-altered quotations.

--- It's not my job to educate you, you will have to look your beliefs up yourself. If I am wrong, I will change my web site. I think everything on my site is very accurate. My site describes what Mormonism is all about. Correct me if I'm wrong. Yes, please have your missionary contact me, I will invite him over for a drink and I'll listen to what he has to say, and he will answer my questions.



And I would like to see some true curiousity
That truely offends me that you would go to all that
trouble to make fun of something- not evil, not bad.
Not twisted like you make it to sound- but something

--- Please send corrections, I will fix the web page. I want everything to be right and accurate. Thank you kindly in advance for your kind reply.



good. What if you're someone close to you died. Which
hopefully will never happen. But if it did. Someone
took pictures of it and put it on the internet and put
all the wrong information and porn stuff with it. And

--- I don't get our point. My mother died a few month ago, and I have her picture on the net. I should put pron with it? Waht would that do? Are you stupid? Are you cruel? 



big groups of people would laugh. That's so wrong, and
hopefully you would feel it too.
Again, I'm sorry this is so long, I hope you truely
take me up on my challenge. 
Have a happy new year!


Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001
Subject: Total crap


Your web site is disgusting. You poor miserable people who have nothing better to do than tear apart a religion you know nothing about. So what, you know the words to use, you know what is in the temple. But it means nothing. Only to the people who hold those things sacred. Your like kindergartners trying to interrupt college material. What is baptism? It's just plain water, except to the person who knows for themselves its the right thing to do. There is nothing you can say or present on your web sight that will change God's will for his children. Anyone who is searching for TRUTH will find it. You are wasting your time. I feel sorry for the sadness that you will someday feel.

Happy mormon

REPLY:
Thank you for your prayer. Now, at least, we'll finally know if praying works. Write back often, and I'll tell your what improvements are happening at this end, if any!

Best regards


From: Lanceandsabrina
Sent: Monday, January 14, 2002

First, I believe you left the church because you commited a grivious sin, most people, who are ex.. fight againest the church, it will have been better that you have never been born. your temples signs are incorrect, so is your veil ceremony, most people who lose the light, don't remember, nice try, but you need to repent of your evil. your guilty of serious offences before God, I've looked at other church the Mormons have it they are of Israel and they are the only ones that know their God. Your punishment is yet to come, you will, curse God and die, and your sins will remain, for you to suffer on your own, for the atonement has no effect on you. Your heart has no light, because you have rejected it, and Satan has deceived you. You have a new master who you worship. You are involve in everything that is evil. Satan has sealed you his.


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