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Subject: Mormast Web Page Respose Post

I am a convert since seven years, and I masturbate,
but am overcoming it now with renewed determination. 

Masturbation may not be harmful physiclly, but it's a
solemn mockery of God's gift to pro-create, and
whether delayed or not, the guilt will eventually set in.

- Ciel -

Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2000

What the FUCK is this dibble? Yeah, I am not very polite, I can be as
offensive as the next guy. With offensiveness in mind, and referring to my
original question, what is it that you are trying to accomplish with this
"site?" I guess perhaps you find amusement in "fondling the dander" of
those who reside within the "Wasatch curtain" (or is that the "Zion
Curtain?" It matters not) or any other enclave of LDS'dom? You can't
honestly say that truth is your objective here. However, I do see a good
deal of objection to truth. It's all bullshit. I don't apologize folks, I
don't hedge my remarks in politically corrects terms or any sensitivity to
"diversity", I call'em as I see'em and I damn sure don't celebrate the
"difference." Yeah, 1st ammendment reigns supreme, and I am very glad of
that, (I just wish that some of you free speech et. al. types would be as
willing to "fall on your sword" over the 2nd...), and I darn sure wouldn't
deprive you of that right. But it does baffle me greatly when I observe the
effort that goes into producing this shit, and this is just what this site
contains, pure unadulterated shit. Nope I don't HAVE to partake, however
this slime did "ooze" into my home, and thats what REALLY pisses my off.

AND I didn't have anything to do with "oozing." Ii really galls me and
chaps my ass that y'all are probably sitting some place all fucking smug
because another one of those Mormons have to deal with your sense of humor
without you asking my permission. Yeah I know, I can't put the damn genie
back in the bottle but, A) Who ever your sources are, they just don't get
it. And they really miss making ANY point by expounding on "half-fact or
half-truth" and delving into speculative inuendo. B) Do you really think
you are bringing up anything startling and new, hell no you're not. Well
atleast Jerald and Sandra (no matter how far you think you can distance
yourselves from the Tanners) can give to you a false sense originality,
welcome to their cottage-industry. You'd ought to "massage" yourselves back
to reality by researching into what the "sunstoners" and the 7th East press
types (They maybe a bit before your time come to think off it.) were
publishing a "few" years back. C) Atleast if you you are going to make an
credible attempt at publishing this "stuff", atleast for the sake of the
English language, try to use correct spelling, sentence structure and
grammar. Oh yeah, and a good proof read wouldn't hurt either. One last
thing, remember me lamenting about having to deal with your sense humor,
just remember (again without deferring to political correctness) what you
may think is funny and humorous may not be to me, conversely what I may
think is funny and humorous may not be very funny or humorous to you. I
doubt seriously YOU would appreciate my uninvited frivolity and humor, you
just wouldn't understand.

No I am not going to sign this note, you already have the name and address
up above.

PS: If this were a work place which of us would find this material meeting
the "Harrassment" criteria associated with creating a "hostile" workplace,
not conducive to productivity?

Sent: Saturday, May 27, 2000
Subject: What does the picture of the Mormon Missionary mean?

Is this a joke or is this how they learn their discussions? 

Pic:  [ http://nowscape.com/mormon/blinder.jpg ]


Rev. Gregory A. Mahdesian
Web Site: http://home.beseen.com/churches/mahdesian/index.html [defunct 2007 - Ed.]
Pawtucket, RI USA

-----Original Message-----
From: J C
Sent: Thursday, June 01, 2000
Subject: I don't care if it is all a lie, I'm staying mormon

You really shocked me with some of the things on your antimormon site. I 
must admit I was being reeled in. Did your hate(?) of organized religion 
come from some bad experience? I too have had bad experiences with 
religious people, however, the foundation of a faith is not invalidated by 
their actions. If I were to read every book on your list (I do have one of 
them on order now) and conclude that the LDS church were a complete 
fabrication I would still remain an active member. What possible harm can 
come to me? I will be as the writer of the Search for the Book of Mormon 
and appreciate the organization for its' temporal value.
Thank you jerk.

Sent: Saturday, June 03, 2000

Subject: Kolob

Hey, I came across your site, and I have to say it was kind of weak. You spend so much time arguing about this Kolob business, yet this is not at all something that is taught in Mormon churches. You had bascially no evidence to back it up with, either. Did you ever think to consider it might be a metaphor that you don't seem to get? I bet you that the average Mormon hasn't even ever heard of Kolob. *shrug* One of many weird fallacies I've noticed on your site.
It seems to me that someone as bright and as interested as you in philosophy might try and at least study enough on his subject to even half-impressive the average layman like me, but I still managed to assimulate your biases. All-in-all, a relatively uninformative site.


I could not resist pasting this here -- from email that made the rounds...

Dear Dr. Laura,

Thank you for doing so much to educate people regarding God's law. I
have learned a great deal from you, and I try to share that knowledge with as
many people as I can. When someone tries to defend the homosexual
lifestyle, for example, I simply remind him that Leviticus 18:22 clearly
states it to be an abomination. End of debate.

I do need some advice from you, however, regarding some of the specific
laws and how to best follow them.

When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a
pleasing odor for the Lord (Lev. 1:9). The problem is my neighbors. They claim
the odor is not pleasing to them. How should I deal with this?

I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as it suggests in Exodus
21:7. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair price for

I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman while she is in her
period of menstrual uncleanliness (Lev.15:19-24). The problem is, how do I
tell? I have tried asking, but most women take offense.

Lev. 25:44 states that I may buy slaves from the nations that are around
A friend of mine claims that this applies to Mexicans but not Canadians.

Can you clarify?

I have a neighbor who insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus 35:2
clearly states he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to kill him

A friend of mine feels that even though eating shellfish is an
abomination (Lev. 10:10), it is a lesser abomination than homosexuality. I don't
agree. Can you settle this?

Lev. 20:20 states that I may not approach the altar of God if I have a
defect in my sight. I have to admit that I wear reading glasses. Does my
vision have to be 20/20, or is there some wiggle room here?

I know you have studied these things extensively, so I am confident you
can help. Thank you again for reminding us that God's word is eternal and


Sent: Thursday, June 29, 2000

Subject: mistaken link

I'm sorry to have bothered you. If you go to the following site, and click on "email here", your address is linked. It makes it look like you are associated with this site. Perhaps you will contact American Atheists and tell them they have the wrong link. Wayne Everett Orgar



if that is not you, don't worry it's someone else with a similar same name. It can't be that you are sure there is no one else with that name, for christ's sake. Thanks for providing the URL on your third email, so I can stop to waste time searching.

best regards.

Subject: Ridiculous

To begin with, I stumbled upon this page and thought it was a joke--I really did. To begin with, I don't think any one of the thousands of religions and religious factions that are out there realize what they are dealing with in terms of God. Whatever God is, be it He or She or some large energy field, it is very, very complex and is definitely not scornful. Although this is just one more damn point of view, I honestly feel it is one of the easiest to digest. It's funny when one thinks about the large array of "holy" texts that exist and the fact that many of them contradict each other. I am not an aethiest, I am an agnostic: I ask questions. Above all, I pray to God. I also jack off multiple times daily. I am male, and 21 and I still remember being 13 and experiencing my first orgasm. I think pages like this are disgusting. True, in ancient times people didn't have the medical technology to know if masturbation was good or bad. But now, we do. Don't like it? Well too bad because God (some think it's Satan!) gave us the brain power to get here. I am currently dating a mormon (I'm not mormon) and it has been a wonderful experience yet a haunting one. She is wonderful, but her church scares me. I stopped calling the LDS a cult for awhile, but now I've sort of started again--it just seems like an artificial Christianity++ with Masonic derivatives. Don't get me wrong, I love Mormons and I uphold many of their charitable beliefs. It's just that I've grown tired of hearing the bullshit prophecies and philosophies that have been fed to her with unrelenting compulsivity. This experience has strengthened my beliefs and created self-reliance within me.
Now, if you don't mind, I'm gonna go jack off.

Sent: Monday, July 10
Subject: SICK


Things in [brackets] were added later -- ED.

Mormon Sacred Underwear

-----Original Message-----
Sent: Thursday, June 29, 2000
Subject: RE: The Mormon Religion

Item 1: The Priesthood undergarment.

It is not a "Good luck charm/talisman". Directly stated in the temple and
elsewhere, it is worn as a physical "reminder" of covenants taken in the
temple, and of one's faith. It is the remembrance of these covenants and
one's faith that is the spiritual barrier and protection from evils. Also,
the garment's shape and design are aimed at helping the wearer to be in the
habit of dressing modestly (which also keeps it "sacred" - if it was
"secret", I wouldn't be discussing it with you). It will not, however,
protect you from a broken leg in a game of football or ward off evil spirits
like some kind of trinket. No LDS member is ever told that the undergarment
has magical powers of any kind. That is fabricated propaganda by Non-LDS or
Ex-LDS folks seeking retaliation for excommunication. Nearly every LDS site
I've ever seen is in the habit of painting this "magical good luck
underwear" picture for the sport of ridiculing it. A true "Tannerism", if
you will. By the way, have you seen the latest craze in underwear fashion?
Or British Military underwear? Exact replica of the LDS undergarment (check
out the attached Calvin Klein example called the "Jean Luc" - look a little
familiar?). Getting harder to spot Mormons by their underwear every day...

More to come.


Dear Bob --
I forwarded your comments to one of my
mormon informants. Below is what she said. (I apologize for not pasting our entire email exchange into this web page. The apologies and bible quotes seemed too trite and uninteresting.)

In a previous email, you say "
Mormons are told to wear the garment at all times, and that it will act as a barrier from evil." Next you say that "I can see how this could be misunderstood as the garment having actual powers or something",  and "THEY ARE NEVER TOLD THAT, HOWEVER."

You can't have it both ways, bub. If mormons are never told of the protective power of garments (from evil) then they cannot also be told of the protective power of garments. 

Dear Bob --

I emailed with one of my Mormon informants today, a
holy-underwear-wearing female, forty-ish. She replied, and I quote:

==================== My first Informant's reply ======================

"You are given your garment as a protection and shield when you
receive your washing and anointing."

Dear Bob --

This shows that you are wrong or, which is not uncommon amongst
mormons, disingenuous. I'm inclined to trust my other sources more
that you in this regard because of this [deception].

My informant told me in conversation later on today that yes, the LDS
church even furnishes special olive drab colored underwear for the
military. This coloration is the same as that of the normal army
uniform. Obviously, the army color was chosen to offer protection
from the enemy. I hope it is not your claim that the LDS church did
not choose the same color for protection also.

So we now see at least one case, in which mormon underwear
is designed for camouflage -- to effect PROTECTION against enemy
bullets. Correct me if I'm wrong.

As for your claim that the mormon underwear in "
It is nothing more
than a physical reminder of your covenants, values, beliefs and faith.
Nothing more." is, in my opinion silly. Why do mormons the not need
other memory-aid apparel to remember, for example [the commandment],
not to eat meat (except to during inclement weather)? This is one admonition,
 like that against smoking, issued directly by one of your main saints.
Perhaps mormons should wear a turnip around their necks, so that they
can remember that commandment. Or would a piece of liver be a better
reminder? When is the last time you bit into a juicy burger?

Mormons might take to wearing pointed dunce caps, to remind them not
to be stupid. My informants have no reason to lie. It is obvious
that mormon garments do not offer protection. You, possibly having
recognized this, choose either to deny the mormon-claimed efficacy of
garment wearing, or you chose the mormon knee-jerk path to lie about
what you likely know to be otherwise. I'm sorry, but I can only offer
the ignorance or liar hypothesis to your denial of what all of my
informants unequivocally tell me.

==================== My second Informant's reply ======================

"Yes, when you receive the garment you are told that it will protect you from
harm (spiritual and physical) whenever you wear it, so long as you honor your
covenants. (See loophole, anyone not protected was either not honoring their
covenants or (in the case of missionaries who die on their mission and can't
ever be viewed to have failed in that way) they were so righteous that their
death was really because god needed them to do missionary work on the other
side.) I heard countless stories of people who were in car accidents and
were "saved and protected" only in the areas covered by their garments. I
have two theories on this 1- that it was random chance or 2- that it was the
power of their mind.

The garment is the physical manifestation of the spiritual covenant that the
believer makes in the temple. This physical manifestation carries great
power for the wearer. Any sacrilege done to this garment carries heavy
spiritual penalties-- to the point that should the garment become worn, it
must be disposed of in a certain manner. The markings on the breast, belly
button and right knee are to be cut out and then either burned or cut up,
and then the entire garment should be carefully disfigured so that an
unbeliever (or one not yet initiated) does not see the garment in its

==================== My Third Informant's reply ======================

"I was interested in the claim by one writer that the Temple Garments were a reminder of important covenants and a protection from evil, but not protection from physical harm. As a Mormon I have been taught by Bishops, Stake Presidents, Sunday School teachers, Seminary Instructors, General Authorities, etc. that the Garments could provide physical protection as well. Stories of people physically saved by the Garments were sometimes told in Sunday School, in Sacrament Meeting talks, and at social gatherings. One of your LDS sources gave reasons for the common existence of these stories."

Link: The Sure Sign

Subject: your website

How could you possibly put out such rash on a
websire...oh, let me guess your free agency?! At
least I know I don't have to worry about meeting you
on the other side of the veil since you won't be going
to the same place as my family and I. The Temple
is not secret...but SACRED which I am sure is
a word you don't even begin to understand.

I know I belong to the true church on the face of this
earth and that my life has meaning and
purpuse...somehow I don't think the same can be said
for yours.

Charity never faileth....

Linda Palmer 


Well, I have taken the wise advice of my husband-to-be, and will no longer 
be reading any hate literature or anti-Mormon sites. Although I feel that 
you are at least partially sincere, your site contained things offensive to 
me and that I felt went against the church.

One thing I can tell you, from what I remember, is that Kolob is not the 
dwelling place of Heavenly Father; it is a planet that is near to him. Here 
is a link to all the occurrances of the word "Kolob" in the LDS standard 
works: http://scriptures.lds.org/query?words=Kolob

I also didn't recognize the hymn tune you had posted on your site - it's 
different from the one in the hymnal (which is very pretty). You can view a 
current hymnal at a meetinghouse near you or maybe you can order one from 
http://www.desertbook.com - I'm not sure.

The third thing that I took exception to is the categorization of the song 
as "Mormon humor" - if you or someone else finds mirth in our hymns or our 
beliefs, that's one thing. But the title "Mormon humor" would seem to 
indicate that we are making a joke out of it, which we are not. We hold as 
sacred the contents of all our scriptures and revere the hymns as praise to 
the Almighty God, who will not be mocked.

I apologize if this is not the response you were looking for, but I can not 
revisit your site to rewrite your section on "If You Could Hie to Kolob." 
You will have to do that for yourself. I do hope that you'll do your 
research and use credible sources.


hey.. im not a mormon or anything, i just wanted to write you a comment on
your page, i really dont know anything about mormonism, i was just looking
it up, because today in Religion Class (i attend a Catholic school) we were
talking about them, and seeing from your page, if you really want to know
about mormons, why dotn u just ask them yourself? or goto a mormon page that
will tell you what they believe, instead of this... cause i dont know what
to believe cause i was at both, and masturbation, is cool and all, but for
mormons maybe they dont want there youth to do it, because they dont want
them thinking about stuff they shouldnt be, it all kinda falls into place,
and i have not seen a religion that has been put doen and criticised to
much, then any other, and if they were a cult how? i thought they were a
religion who believed in jesus. 
oh well i dunno, anyway about this church being critisised alot, its weird
because a few weeks ago i was reading in the bible, and i dont remeber where
exactly we were, or i cant recite the verse quite as it was, but it said
something like this "My Church will be criticised alot" or whatever, so it
seems kind of weird
thinking that "Jesus's chruch being put down... mormons"
i have been to utah, and if u see their atmosphere, its quite nice... and
for you, why dont u bring up your religion instead of putting one down,
theres no point really.... if u think about it. strong mormons are going to
stay with their church, and they are going to be tested ,,, but having faith
in god, if u REALLY have it, they wont belivee what you say...
sorry but its true, mormonism is a Religion, and one of their commandment or
guidelines or something says "let them worship how, where or what they may"
and that is so true, if they dont make fun of us, we should let them worship
god how they want to, and do stuff in their temples. if they believe in it,
i say they can, its part of their church 
well anyway

Dear Mormonism for Dummies,
I was most entertained by the humour in your website. I've lived in the 
Middle East the past few years and have seen many religions Christians, 
Jews, and Muslim, but none have I seen more devout and true to their honor 
than Mormons. Yes Mormons are in Palestine. We have a saying from the 
Koran that says "Lakum Dina-Kum wa Lia Din." Simply meaning you have your 
religion and I have mine. It's people like you that stir contention. No 
wonder there's so much trouble in the world. People like you try to tear 
down the good others do by focusing on the bad. The Mormon people have done 
more good for the people in this land than you could ever know. While you 
focus on worthless ideas, why not see and show the good they are doing. 
Your time will be better spent. Just some advice to someone who is 
obviously not open other ways of thinking, but thought I might try. Allah 
Ma'ak Nuur ala Deen

From: Audrey 
Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2001
Subject: LDS

I can't believe you are writing this garbage. I am a child who is a
member of this church and I have very strong feelings that its real.
You say we're bad people and that we're evil but look at yourselves. Do
we make catholic or luthern hate websites. We believe in our beliefs.
I can't believe you're actually posting this garbage and telling people
that its true. I really wish that all of you would really consider what
you're doing here. Mormons really aren't bad people and they really
aren't sheep and they aren't a cult. You all really need to consider
what you're doing to people and their children. I am the child of
mormon parents and we live in a happy warm home. We don't practice
poligamy now and you haven't even read any of our doctorine and you
don't know anythings about us so you can't say what we believe in. You
say we're not allowed to read your garbage in all of your e-mails but
you know what I read your e-mails and websites just so I can prepare
myself for all the e-mail in the world. How can you feel good about
yourself when you go on websites and insult innocent people. I know in
this country that we have freedom of speech, but is this really what it
was meant for. I am child and I know that my church is true and I don't
care what you think.

P.S. I know you won't post this because this is the truth and you only
want to post garbage and lies.

Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 200

Just read your corrections page and i noticed that by the end of the page you 
succumbed to the oldest trick that satan has at his disposal.......


The strongest principle of growth lies in human choice. 
George Eliot

who was not a mormon.


Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 200

This site is SOOO full of crap, it's a shame to know people like you are out there.

I am LDS (Mormon), and that's NOT what we believe at 

-----Original Message-----
From: Robyn
Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2001 7:08 PM
Subject: unsure

I am actually unsure what planet you are from. All that you say on your side is absolutely impossible and rediculous. I myself am not a mormon, but i know those who are, and i have read their book of mormon. Not once have i ever heard of what you write.  Either you are crazy, dellusional or just a liar

Dar Robyn:

Most mormons don't know these things because they only read the BOM, and not the other official mormon literature to which I make reference on my web pages. But even the BOM is provably wrong. The flora and fauna described in it are wrong. For example in the Americas there were none of these during BOM times: iron, cows, horses, silk, elephants, coins... You ought to read up on mormonism,  science and biology, etc, before you so glibly call someone a liar. I don't think you are the tings you called me, but you are either uneducated or stupid. Correct me if I'm wrong.

Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2001

You are an ignorant, selfish, and sorry person. What does it mean to attack 
someone else?

 It means that you are afraid. You are afraid that the L.D.S church is true.
I am 100% sure that you yourself is a member, or was a member 
of our faith. It really makes me sad to see someone with so much 
knowledge use it in such a wastless, and tasteless fashion. Why don't you 
use your knowledge to help people instead of tear them down. I wish you the 
best, and hope that maybe one day you will realize the big mistake that you 
are making, in publishing such garbage. To associate your name with the 
things that are displayed on this page, I can only wish you luck in the last 
days. I hope that your heart will turn to the other side, and maybe...you 
could help your neighbor with some chores, or fill your heart with goodness. 
It feels so good to help somebody else, please...try it!

Your friend

From: Karen
Sent: Friday, May 2001

Hi, I just wanted to say that I enjoyed your web-site. I resigned my
membership when i was 18. I don't ever like to make fun of or disrespect
other peoples religion but everything on the site is true, doing it in a
humorous way is therapeutic at least to me. It helps to be able to laugh at
out there, I think it can help a lot of people. Thanks.


From: Karen
Sent: Friday, May 04, 2001

It's just been in my best interest to not get mouthy about other people's
beliefs. I've let myself be at peace with Mormonism because I'll never be
able to change it. Religion/people do stupid, harmful things but it
usually, not always, comes down to the people not the actual doctrine in
and of itself. Just my opinion- obviously Mormonism is an acception [(sic) - ed.]
to this. If others and yourself choose to go about it the way you do that's
fine- it disrespects itself because everything on your site is true. I've
just found it's easier on myself if I let it be, I can't spend my life
being mad. 


Dear Karen,

The idea that silence is the best way to combat lies, is wrong I think. Mormonism is a pack of lies, and so are all religions. A system based on falsehood can produce benefits by accident, at best, if at all. In general it will cause harm.

The idea that there is something wrong with the practitioners of a faith, and not with the faith itself, and with the people who run it, is a wrong one also, I think. Religious people are normal, average folks! There is nothing wrong with the people, for Christ's sake! It's the god-damned religions, their primates and apologists that are the cause of the problem.

As with other self perpetuating systems, it is to the system's advantage to protect itself from extinction by spawning sentiments in its victims -- sentiments like yours -- that shield the system from criticism. Your live-and-let-live attitude helps protect mormonism from becoming extinct; lie-accommodating sentiments help perpetuate religion. 

For example, we're told that it's not good to try to understand why bad things happen to innocent victims. Suffering is just part of a Great Plan, which humans will never understand -- we must resign ourselves to the idea that everything will be sorted out after we have become corpses. Christianity tells us that we are, a priori, a piece of shit. We'll never amount to anything, unless we repent. And even if we repent, we can't do anything about it, because we are made that way! 

It's hard for me to see what you mean when you say disrespect is caused by truth. To be silent in the face of harmful lies is not the way to avoid becoming angry, I think. It would make me crazy if I were to bury my head in the sand, and if I were to allow stupidity and lies to run my life. 

It IS in your best interest to get mouthy about other people's beliefs -- after all, those people's beliefs are that you should be just like they are, accommodating and ignorant!

-----Original Message-----
Sent: Monday, May 07, 2001


Sir or Madam-

First off, I would like to know where you acquired your information for the "Secret Temple Ceremonies." I myself am LDS and have done baptisms for the dead in a temple, but I refuse to read your "adaptation" of any other so-called "ceremonies" performed in the temple because I strongly believe that what goes on in the temple is sacred and is not to be known or judged by any persons who are unworthy or non-members.    Second, your information on polygamy is misleading. Though you give a better, more accurate explanation of it as a link, your main information page for it (http://nowscape.com/mormon/polyg.htm) is very short-sighted. You should have stated that polygamy is not tolerated in the LDS faith any longer on THAT page because it makes it seem as though polygamy is still practiced by LDS people today and that Joseph Smith really did seemt to invent it. If one does not follow the link, they are being misled.    Third, you conveniently failed to mention that in our beliefs, people such as yourselves who lead people away from the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints will be judged accordingly because the "worth of souls is great in the sight of God."    Fourth, you also conveniently failed to mention many of your information sources on this site, and you also failed to mention whether you have ever been to a church service or was a member. I would like to know 1. if you were a member or at least attended a church service and 2. who did you get this information from?    I would like to remind you that out of all the religions in the world, the most persecuted religions are Judaism and LDS religion. Why is this? Neither are a cult, as you make the LDS religion seem to be. Neither teach members to hate or hurt any living thing. We are simply practicing our own faiths. We do not deserve to be persecuted or criticized to the extent that we have been over the years. I welcome a healthy criticism every now and then, but the attention that both Jews and now LDS members receive is ridiculous. I think you have way too much time on your hands and not enough constructive hobbies.    I have had my doubts about the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints over the years, but thanks to your site I now do not question it any longer. It was prophesied that LDS members would be persecuted, and in many ways, that has already happened.   Take a good look at your site and tell me what people should get out of it after searching through it. If people are being misled to believe something based on rumor and false information, then maybe you should question your motives and why you feel so hostile to the LDS faith. If people are afraid to learn more about the LDS church (or decide that they hate the LDS church, or decide it's a cult) as a result of meandering through your website, then you are inciting even more persecution. Please rethink your actions.   Larissa, An LDS teen

-----Original Message-----
Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2001


It seems your site is an excellent example of irony. You spend huge amounts
of time trying to dispel the "myths" of other faiths, yet you can't prove
your own. All YOU must do is prove their is no God for your remarks to be
irrefutable. Then you can say whatever you want with the absolute certainty
that you are right. No church I know tries to "prove" there is a God. Some
make outrageous claims, but those often can't be proven false either. It
appears that you are just angry, uninformed (don't kid yourself you can't
know everything and of course pissed off ex members of any church are
"superb" resources) and largely ignorant (not stupid - you just don't know
what you don't know). I suspect you get off more to people being pissed than
anything else. It can't be that you are "right" because your "answers"
won't stand up to your OWN scrutiny any better than their answers do. But if
this is the way you have fun - I really feel sad for you.

Yes, I was a Mormon. I am now excommunicated but I knew a lot of good
people. I know a lot of good people in a lot of churches and even if I do
not agree with them, as long they don't sacrifice babies or animals, most of
them seem to make the world better. I only see you propagating hate, hurt
and anger. If you don't agree with someone or a group. Go someplace else,
you would not believe the number of people I have had come to me over the
years inquiring about the church after attending or reading anti-
literature. They generally knew a Mormon or two and were puzzled at what
could stew such anger. They sometimes joined. Some church's are actually
probably thanking you.

I can't believe I have spent this much time writing to folks with such
closed minds. But I guess that I have faith that there is hope for just
about anyone.

University of Houston
Conrad N. Hilton College of Hotel & Restaurant Management

Sent: Sunday, October 14, 200

I am a 16 year old member of the Church of Jesus
Christ of Latter-day Saints. I came across your site
looking for ways to stop masturbating. I looked
around at the other areas of your site and I honestly
would like to know why you have that site! Why do you
think that you should tell every one all those things!
Why, for example do you need to tell people that
members of this the true church don't believe in the
Bible!?! Of course we do! Numerous prophets and
church leaders have said so. When they say "as far as
it is translated correctly," they are referring to the
fact that it has been altered from it's original state
of correctness, and therefore some meanings have
changed. This does not mean that we don't believe in
it as scripture! This simply means that we believe in
it when it is explained in it's true meaning. Also,
why, if you are a member of this wonderful religion,
do you have links to sinful sites on your page? That
disturbs me. Links to sites about gay mormons? Give
me a break. The world thinks bad enough things about
us as it is without scum like you showing the world
the former members who have strayed from the path. I
sincerely pray that any investigator directed to your
site turns and runs to find a site that holds only the
true and correct principles. Also, dealing with all
the secret, or rather sacred things, who gave you the
right to spread that around? Just because some other
foolish people have defiled these things doesn't mean
that you should as well! Where do you get off? It
makes me so angry that you have these things on your
site!!! All that Kolob stuff! Ya, so what if it's
true! That doesn't mean that everyone needs to hear
about it! People are just going to think even more
that all "Mormons" are crackpots and have horns
growing out of their heads. There are many things
that should not be said until a person is truly ready
to believe them. In short, your site is doing a lot
more harm than good! I don't think that my opinion
will change anything about your site, but I feel
obligated to express my feelings. I beg you to change
your site so that it is less revealing, less
commercial. You are taking away the sacred nature of
all that is good. You speak so casually of our
Heavenly Mother. That offends me to the core of my
existence. You speak of all these things in a casual
nature. That is sinful and I hope sincerely that you
will repent. You have profaned things that should be
left to those who are worthy. Please change what
needs to be changed.


name [withheld]
P.S. I would like some feed back from this message,
if you don't mind.

I wonder if you don't have anything better to do than to ridicule beliefs that others consider sacred? That's OK. Your satire and your jibes don't make that which is true, untrue. Do remember--the God and Father of us all takes into account our thoughts, intents, and our behavior.
Look within yourselves and ask yourselves and your Heavenly Father if you are being true to your best selves and to Him by making a mockery of the beliefs that members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints hold to be true and sacred.

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I do not understand your website. At first, I thought that it was information regarding the Mormon faith, but the more I read the more skeptical I become.

What are you trying to accomplish?

If it is a satire or an attempt to make Mormonism seem laughable, I am almost ashamed at what a good job you are doing. :)

Best wishes,

How stupid can you be? "Secret Handshakes," that is
retarded. The pictures you have of them men "warming
up," couldn't be more off too. Maybe you should talk
to real members of the church, not those claiming to
be or having been members. Do you think that God
would tell me one thing and you another? I know this
to be true. If it all fit together, then there would
be nothing for people like you to do. It would be
easy and there would be no need for faith. Nothing I
can say will affect you. You've made up your mind
with you website. Think about it and pray about it.

Dear Atheists;

I'm an atheist in Texas. My wife and I are working on a costume dictionary and we stumbled upon the concept of Mormon underwear. We would like to include any terms and possibly some drawings the would describe the garments. Are there specific names for them? How many different kinds are there? Is there a catalogue from which they can be ordered?


The following is a post to the Jref Forum. Your site was referenced in a post. I didn't want to be backhanded in my treatment.]

If you are not a member this is my response.

>>>>>>As an ex-Mormon I found the site interesting.

As someone who has chosen critical thinking, I am unable to argue with many if not most of the facts that I found on the site.

However, I think the site unnecessarily mocks as much as informs (though to be honest I found "Kiss Hank's Ass" hilarious). Much of the information, while accurate, is passť. Given the opportunity it seems, the author / webmaster never passes up the opportunity to present something in the pejorative. Most Mormons have never heard of "Moon-men" much less believe that men live on the moon. While this fact does not mitigate the impact of such information on the institution, it does paint a group of people in an ugly and untrue light.

I think the author / webmaster could make an effort to be clearer as to what Mormons do and don't currently believe.

The author/webmaster could also be intellectually honest in his use of much of the data. For instance, the statistics on the Polygamy page are misleading.

"Utah has the highest per capita sugar consumption in the US". So what? I believe Utah is amongst the lowest in its per capita liquor consumption. Has a low rate of heart and lung disease, etc.

"Utah schools have one of the lowest ratios of teacher to child." Of what value is this information Author / webmaster does not tell us how well the students perform. My understanding is better than most. If I am wrong then that data has value if I am right then it is misleading. Tell us the whole story.

One of my biggest gripes is when someone states statistics in an authoritative manner and does not back up the statistics with references. Come on, do you think or do you know? Let us in on it. Give us a URL or a book title, anything.

I am sure that there are better sites out there. I will keep an eye out for them. Please post if you find any.

You got a very interesting site, great information, But What I really enjoy reading is everyone's comments.
I laughed at all the people who were tricked in to the LDS religion and then left it. The sad thing is people are just stupid, if your not going to do the research, you deserve what you get.

But I'll state the facts, it doesn't matter what others believe, it doesn't matter what others think.
You're in this physical world alone you do have a spiritual guide who might help you out or might not, so you might as well just assume all you have is your self, and you got to learn to make your own decisions. I feel bad for all of you who have had a bad experience in the Lds Church. But If you really want to know the truth you looked in the wrong places for the answers. Do you honestly think the internet is the place to look for a answer come on, that's a joke in its own. Maybe if your want information on how to repair an automobile or learn how to program, but if your looking for information on a religion its not where you should be looking you should be looking from the source and the source would be the foundation of the religion itself. and if you cant comprehend what your reading I suggest you go back to school and learn comprehension. And my hell are you people stupid of course you should ask questions, if you don't ask questions you wont get the answers you seek, why do you question other people? for the answers you need, what in the world makes you think they have the answer ? it all boils down to you and god, and if your not going to do the work, its your own fault.
If your going to question another persons religion or your own, you had better have read what they say the believe in. because the truth of the matter the religion isn't the person. the person doesn't make the religion. and most the time the person your questioning doesn't have a clue himself. its your own decision. if you want to condemn it or call it freaky that's okay its your opinion but the fact of the matter, is its doesn't Merritt a dang thing. your opinions, your ideas, your views on life really only matter to you. its nice if you think sharing your views will help other people, but most people will take it like a grain of salt. and toss it.

Because the true thing in life, everyone's going to do what they want to or don't want to, and some will make wise decisions others not so wise, But one thing you should know, if your honestly going to say there's no life after death, you're sick and twisted, why would you want to imagine that when you die, there's nothing there. and if you believe in a after life, do you think God, someone perfect in all ways. yes that's the truth. would like what you did with you self in this world ? that's a question you should ask your self on a daily basis, would god do this, or would Christ do this "they are separate beings". This life wasn't set up for you to get all you wanted, this world is test, with its ups and downs. somethings you're better at others you just suck. get use to it, but be sure to remember in the end your going to be judged. so were are you going to stand? are you going to pass or are you going to fail ?

The religion I'm in is great, I feel joy, I have peace, I serve god and yes there is only one God for the people of this world. And Christ is this worlds savior and redeemer. and I'm happy, I know were I'm going to go when I die, so I don't fear death, I have answers to questions many people ask. and I know where I stand in this world and the next. And the truth of the matter the only people who don't like this religion, are those who cant live by its teachings or by its principles. They are weak and want the easy path, they want life on a platter all for them, they think the world was created to give them everything for free. While some people have had a harder life and others a easier, God the Supreme Being doesn't force you to handle anything he doesn't already know you cant tackle. So those who don't like certain religions stop and think what about it don't you like. and then think is the reason I don't like it, because I don't want to do what they say, or I rather be doing something else?
Get A life and get a clue, the internets a great tool, but its not ment for answers on relegion, because the fact is the devil has his hand in everything, and most likely then not any website you find supporting something against a relegion, would be something the devil would love you to believe. but he wont be there for you in the end. he will leave you to suffer and die. The internet has many great things, but with good there is always evil. and you should really stop and think and pray to what ever god you believe in for the answers, but remeber you praying to the same being everyone else in this world is praying to at night. or before they die. the creator of all humankind.
A God with infinite love for all creations, and a God with a infinite knowledge.

Sent: Friday, February 01, 2002
Subject: Why do you waste your time

What are you trying to accomplish? Im not Mormon, but I am trying to figure out why the hell you wast your time ripping on a religion. Is it hurting you? Does it scare you? People like you make me sick, why dont you mind your own business. Do you mean to tell me that you have nothing better to do with your life than to dedicate an entire website to the defamation of a persons faith. Notice the word faith, that means that is something that they believe, so how in the world does this affect you? One of the problems with this world is that everyone is too concerned with the happenings of the next door neighbor and too little concern for what is happening behind their own doors. I am sensing that you have some deep seeded emotional problems. I have mormon friends and they are some of the only people that I see that actually want to make the world more aware of familly and happiness, just because their beliefs are not the same as yours, why do they deserve persicution? I just dont understand Why you would do this.

-----Original Message-----
From: Denise Haller
Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2002
Subject: Re: my view on your page

I think you are a filthy disgusting piece of garbage... and people like you should be lined up and shot. We shall see what happens to you in the end.


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