The Thanks I get...   [2]  [3]  [4]   [5]

   Thank you, friends!    [2] 

Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2005 04:16:30
From: "Nathan Packer" <paqmanbiker@gmail.com>
Subject: find a new hoby

RE:  http://nowscape.com/mormons1.htm
I don't know if you have anything to do with the Mormon's page on
[nowscape.com/mormons1.htm], but if you do, YOU NEED TO FIND A NEW
SCREWBALL. If you're only kick in life is to try and make fun of,
defame, and put down [denigrate] the mormons, you're gonna burn in
HELL. Whether or not the mormons are correct, you're making public
things they hold sacred, and you obviously have no respect whatsoever
for other's religion or the Constitution of the USA. Goodbye.

Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2005 11:03:02
From: "an astronomy student at BYU" <websdb@gmail.com>
Subject: BYU Dept. of Astronomy

"Image of Kakistocra-77b2 near upper right
Photo courtesy BYU Dept. of Astronomy
(Reprinted with permission) "

Please remove the reference to BYU. BYU has made no claims to have
located such a star. The image you have is taken from the BYU
Astronomical Society website, and it is NOT a photograph. It is
nothing more than a random scattering of white dots against a black
background, meant to be used as an aesthetic background for our site.
It by no means even resembles an actual starfield (as is immediately
apparent to any astronomer). If you did indeed receive permission to
use the picture, it was for a similar use -- that is, as a
BACKGROUND. I know for a fact that BYU has not authorized you to use
it to support a claim that Kolob has been located.

I am an astronomy student at BYU, and was the webmaster for the BYU
Astronomical Society for several years.

(Also, there is nothing called the "Department of Astronomy" at BYU.)   [http://astronomy.byu.com/]


<-- You are Here < KOLOB
Planets KOLOB & Oliblish
© Photo courtesy "Department of Astronomy",
     Brigham Young "University".

It depends on what the meaning of of is.

* The Astronomy Group is part of the Department of Physics and
    Astronomy at Brigham Young University.
* The Department of Physics and Astronomy belong to the
   colleges at BYU.
* The Colleges are part of BYU.
* BYU is part of the Latter Day saints.
* The Latter-day saints are part of a church..
* The church is part of Jesus Christ
* I know these things to be true because I'm a member of
  "Church of Latter-day Saints of Jesus Christ- Ed

facsimile_bs.jpg (46860 bytes)
Facsimile proves Mormonism is true

From: Evenley@aol.com
Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 18:48
Subject: Your Site on Mormonism

It is truly sad that someone as intelligent and capable as you seem to be would waste their time bashing other people's beliefs. No one is asking you, or forcing you, to adopt Mormon beliefs. If it isn't for you...move on, my friend. Do something uplifting and good for the world, rather than tear down the sacred beliefs of others.

We claim the privilege of worshipping Almighty God according to the dictates of our own conscience and ALLOW ALL OTHERS THE SAME PRIVILEGE! LET THEM WORSHIP HOW, WHERE, AND WHAT THEY MAY!

That is what I was taught as a child growing up within the latter-day saint culture. I admire them for that!

Move on!

Dear Evenley,
RE: ..."someone ... would waste their time bashing other people's beliefs."

I think the missionaries who you support bash other people's beliefs when they
go door-to-door, world-wide to explain to the victims that they suffer from false
beliefs and will burn in hell if they don't convert to momo-ism, now that it's been
explained to them correctly.
[ After the explanation, if the victim still does not under-
stand or believe the Mormon story, he or she is told they're  worse off now,
than before the explanation, yes?]

Perhaps you were taught wrongly as a child, Evenley, but you are an adult now.
I don't think Joseph Smith could read Egyptian, as you were taught.

Your teachers are stupid and / or dishonest -- there's no other way.

Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2005 17:04:22 -0800 (PST)
From: "brian Alb" <brianaffiliatepartner@yahoo.com>
Subject: Sincerely hope to exchange banner or text link to achieve win-win cooperation!

Dear webmaster,

I am writing to you for a partnership with you. You have a great site and I think we can cooperate well. Would you please accept a quality dating site with nice banner?

Our site is one great dating site for LDS singles and friends. Its PR is 4 and the traffic rank is about 186,143, hundreds of new customers join us every day and many users buy our gold membership.

We are wondering if it is possible to place one small banner or text link on your homepage? In return, we can pay you $20 for each paid member you drive us and link back to you at our partner page or homepage.

If interested, please email me back and I'd like to tell you more in detail.

Hope to hear from you soon.

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email: brianaffiliatepartner@yahoo.com

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Question or Doubt?

Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2005
From: "Andrew Hatch" <a.hatch@uleth.ca>
Subject: from me to you

Thats pretty pathetic. Its hard to believe that you don't belive but
spend all that time proving that you don't.
Have fun

Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 20:36:49 -0600
From: mrtreter@treter-family.org
Subject: Concerned Reader

I have been looking at your site, and it looks like there is a lot of truth, 
but there is so much bad stuff! Why do you have a "print your own temple
" and a little pornographic link at the bottom of one of the parts
of the site. It looks like this is all a scam, to ruin the mormons. What is
up with this?  Why? I don't understand it. And how can you claim to have
an Adamic dictionary? Honestly! Who are you guys? And why are you
doing this? Please get back to me

-A concerned LDS member

From: "Earlene Mason" <kgeorgem@etv.net>
Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2005 21:28:08


[...] How old are you? In your twenties! Thirties tops. If you are older than that
you really are pathetic.

You had nothing to convince me of that I have not studied. [sic]

Your 6th grade education is showing - you are the uneducated one.

Envious sigh?  You can't disprove His existence.

Scientists now use radiometric dating and that it has changed their view of
fossils being billions of years
[sic] old to thousands of years old.

I am not illiterate and uneducated.

In the end Every knee shall bow. Even those who mock God.

Zero Tolerance

To: Charles Suppus <cmsuppus@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Zero's

I have nothing to say since you all are the professors of what you consider
the truth. However, that is in your minds [sic]. Your proof is only to you and your
followers. Life cannot come from zero. Zero times zero is zero. Zero times one
is zero. And on and on. Zero plus one is one, but where does the one come
from? Keep on believing in zero's. I like my belief's.


You ask where does the 1 come from. The 1 comes form the same place where your god comes from.


Christians may find this disturbing.

But Mormons will understand.

A "must have" for every collection!
Get one for a friend!

The God Makers

by Ed Decker, Dave Hunt

Pick one up for a friend!

Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005
Subject: questions please

Dear Sir, I just read through some of your website and found it informative and entertaining. You seem knowledgeable in Mormonism and willing to talk about facts without the normal whitewash. Please could I ask a couple questions? You could answer at your convenience.

I live in Utah County and have for 8 years. I do have some very devout Mormon friends here who have accepted us for being plain good people but many have shunned knowing us, even with lots in common. We are very nice friendly non-judgmental people. Neither religion nor any interest in any, just want to be good Americans, faith to country, family and friends. The whole "do unto others' thing.

How does the majority of Utah county Mormons feel about people like us living in their community? Are they allowed to be friends with us according to scripture? I know they are not to marry my children (that's hard enough) but will my kids be shunned from play as they grow?

I don't want to talk anyone out of religion. But how do I discus my issues with the culture of Utah county with my friends without them feeling like I'm attacking everything they stand for? I don't want to loose them to my questions.

BUT, I feel if I don't ask questions (if not just to learn why) then I'm condoning behavior towards fellow man that I feel is wrong according to the US constitution, basic human rights. If I ignore it or just deal with it and not ask, to me it's a chicken shit way of condoning it.

I have so many more questions but that's a start.

Thanks so much in advance.

Deluded in Utah County

From: "(removed by request)"
Subject: My Friend
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005

My dear friend,
I wish to send you this letter to ask you several questions… the first is: Why are you doing this? Why do you seek to destroy the testimonies of countless people? I am a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints and I would really like to know why. It is okay for you to believe it is wrong, that my church is wrong, but why do you so adamantly and maliciously attack it? It’s pointless.

Were you a member of the church at one point? Have you ever experienced the temple ordinances? If you have not then why do you so spitefully attack them? You must not understand the sacred symbolism behind them. I know that I am wasting my time writing this to you, you may not read it… and if you do I have no doubt that your mind is so closed and your heart so hard that you will just dismiss everything I say to you. I will pray for you my friend.

You are making fun of things because you do not understand them. Especially in your “Mormonism on Space Travel” section where it states that aliens hatch from eggs. Well, actually, you came from an egg, my friend. But seriously, think about it… it is an arrogant assumption that in this entire universe God figured on only making one species. If he were to make others (and as it says in the bible we were “made in Gods image”) why would he not make THEM in HIS own image? That would not make sense! And my friend, why would he not give them prophets too (like he did for the Israelites, Nephites, and Lamenites)?

How much more would you have cause to mock if there was a religion on another planet saying that the redeemer was an alien? What if your bible was to say “And the Savior died for your sins on earth.” He is the universal savior (also said in the bible.) And it would be a waste of time for him to die for a second time on another planet (and impossible because resurrected beings cannot die again.)

I wish you would carefully reconsider your website and compare it to what the savior taught us: to love our neighbors, to love those who despitefully use us and persecute us. I try to live that teaching and even though you inanely harass my religion I will continue to pray for you and persist to have a great deal of love for you my friend. I know that your convictions are strong my friend, as are mine, but it is a fruitless deed to attack religion. (Especially mine for I believe it to be the one full religion)

Well, my friend, I will hope and pray for you. I would like to sincerely bear you my testimony that I know Joseph Smith was a prophet of God and Gordon B. Hinckley is Gods chosen mouthpiece today. I know that the Lord would not forsake us in such a sad and darkening time without his loving, compassionate, and perfect guidance. Members of my church who follow its teachings are the happiest, healthiest, and hardest working people in the world. (And by the way my church is the only church that I have ever heard of where you are admonished to ask for yourself if it’s true. Even when one of the general authorities speaks you are invited to find out for yourself if it’s correct or not through prayer)

Your friend
(removed by request)

P.S. President Hinckley’s challenge to read the Book of Mormon by the end of the year has blessed my life and strengthened my testimony of the Restored Gospel of Jesus Christ. I would invite you to get a copy of the book yourself and read it. Even if it were not true, its story is festinating [ED -- 
festinate adjective.  Etymology: from (L.)  festinare to hasten; perhaps akin to Middle Irish bras forceful, Welsh brys haste : HASTY ]. 


From: "(removed by request)"
Subject: Update
Date: Fri, 18 May 2007 12:49:13 -0400

Hello, I was searching Google for my own name and I came across an old email I sent to you a few years back. I just wanted to let you know that since that email, I've become an atheist and I've discredited, publicly, my faith in Mormonism. I've become an outspoken community leader for Atheist action, and one of the most recognizable critics of Christianity and religion in general in my county.

I receive hate mail on a daily basis and I've even had death threats.

Anyway, I hope you'd put this as an afterthought after my previous email. [2005]
(Signature removed by request)

ED: Dear friend --
You have done a lot for atheism since you first emailed in late 2005. Congratulations. From your descriptions you have accomplished far more in these 16 + months than MADALYN MURRAY O'HAIR and her family accomplished in a lifetime!

Keep up the good work! and let me know how you're doing, from time to time!
Yes, I'll add your new letter, thanks.


From: (removed by request)
Subject: Re: Inquiry
Date: October 4, 2013
Hi, my name and image are featured on your site.

I'm wondering if that could be taken down?
That's from a long time ago and it's one of the top search results for my name. I've been looking for a job recently and I've answered questions in two different interviews about it. (They're reading the original post and not even seeing the later one).

(Signature removed by request)

From: "MG" <casper39@comcast.net>

Subject: how sad
Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005

How sad it is that you have nothing better to do with your life than tear apart a religion you really know nothing about. NONE of what you have on your site is true. We do NOT believe there are people on the moon. The church doesn't teach this at all. There are SO many things you have perverted and misrepresented it would take an eon to tell you about them. We are NOT threatened with death if we tell others about the rituals at the temple. We don't tell them because until they are going through it they wont understand and we don't want to be vilified by the likes of you. Nevertheless we do realize that Satan is out there and his followers as well. I doubt you have committed an unforgivable sin so I doubt you will go to the 3rd degree of glory, but when you do meet your maker and realize how terrible and ugly a thing you have done, you will have no opportunity to plead for forgiveness.

See, you, just like every other person on earth are entitled to believe in God how and where you wish. But true Christians, of any faith INCLUDING LDS, do NOT put down other religions. They do NOT lie and deceive people about the church. True Christians know that Christ is the cornerstone of any faith.

I feel very sad for you. You have nothing better to do than corrupt your own soul and others with all the hatred you spew. No matter whether you want to be "Mormon" or not. You don't even have to have a religion to believe in God. But you have chosen to be an ugly, empty person who does Satan's work for him.

May God have pity on you when you meet Him and see the error of your ways.

Do NOT answer my email. I don't want to hear anything you have to say.

The pictures and garbage you have on your site should be condemned.

How funny it is that the LDS church is persecuted and put down more than any other church on earth. But then, Christ told that this would happen with His church.
May God forgive you for your ugliness and ignorance.

Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 12:30:59
From: Send an Instant Message "joel vasquez" <sincerely_ben@yahoo.com>
Subject: Mormonism

The OPINIONS expressed in many of the topics of Mormonism and the beliefs therein should not be presented as fact. This website has taken many sacred truths and twisted them to fit the authors own beliefs and search for a deeper understanding [sic].

I am shocked and appalled that I came across pictures of ordinances that occur in the temple. These are sacred things that should not be openly published. These ordinances should not even be spoken of outside of the temple. People who are searching for the answer to weather or not the LDS church is true should focus on the simple truths of the gospel. Not deep scientific opinions that have not been plainly stated as fact by the prophets and apostles.

The website is a mockery of the sacred divine gifts and knowledges that have been given to us through the restoration of the gospel and I for one strongly recommend that this website should no longer exist or be accessible to anyone especially those who have not gone thorough the temple.

Also, with all due respect, if there are any members of the LDS church who assisted with getting this information onto this website, you should seriously consider talking to you bishop or church leader about the publication of these things. If you yourselves have gone through the temple, you should know better.

I say these things out of complete concern, not judgement.

Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2006
From: "jess williamson" <potterness@hotmail.com>
Subject: Your site lease stop

It made me sick when I stumbled into this website. I just can't believe that anyone would be bored enough (not to mention STUPID enough) to make this website. You people actually believe that this was made by the LDS Church?! You obviously have no idea what we believe in. First of all, if this was a site distributed by the Church, there wouldn't be ANY cursing. If you're going to pretend to be another religion, at least do your homework!

You are a very sick individual. I don't know if you're bitter about something that happened to you, or if you simply just don't have a life, but stop dragging the things that my church holds sacred through the mud. You're absolutely disgusting. On your "F.A.Q's" page, you wrote that we try to spread the Gospel because "we believe it's good for you" and so that we can get money. That is so far from the truth.

I have never been so offended in my life. Believe what you want, but don't spread false things like this around the world. We're corrupt enough as it is, thank you.

Please, I am begging you, please stop attacking my church. You don't understand ANYTHING that we believe in! Stop pretending like you're part of my faith! I'm so heartbroken that you would do this. I'm only a 24-year-old, but I'm not stupid, and I do have feelings and rights. What you're doing is so wrong. True, you have freedom of speech, but this is so beyond that. You're hurting 12 million people by doing this. Please, just take down your site.

From: Fitchmattj@aol.com
Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006
Subject: Mormon Math
To whom it may concern:

While surfing your web site, I came across a section dealing with Mormon math. It is stated that  one shiblon = 1/3 shiblon, and I am wondering how you got that math. You use the exchange rates from Alma 11:15,16, and 19 to get this figure; yet Alma 11:19 states "Now an antion of gold is equal to three shiblons." I can find no other mention of an antion or any other value to compare it to. If you could go further into depth as to how you reached this conclusion, I would greatly appreciate it.


Matthew Fitch

P.S. You might want to go through and check the spelling and grammar of your web site. Some parts look like they were done by a 5-year-old.

From: "Mike Jones"

Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 05
You people are weird as hell, I think Joseph Smith smoked to much pioti weed with the Indians in Utah and came up with all this shit under the stars when he was stoned.

Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 17:33:02 -0700 (PDT)
From: "Alec Chapman" <tesseractingboy@yahoo.com>
I am Mormon. I can't tell you half of the things that you made mistakes, but first, Kolob is not a planet, it's the Celestial Kingdom's sun. Second of all, Mormonism does not teach that God has many wives; most Mormons, including me, can't stand this theory, and we believe that there is one Heavenly Mother, and that Jesus, if married at all, was not
polygomous. Next, nowhere in Mormon theology will you find all that about the seven veils and Obilash. Next, it's simply absurd saying that Heavenly Father is a cruel, doubtful ruler. This is the worst of all the theories stated here. He is a PERFECT, DIVINE, COMPLETELY LOVING FATHER, who has faith in us, and supports us, but knows we are going to sin, and therefore is prepared to forgive us. Next, we do not have minor deities we revere, and I suggest to refer to us as a Henotheistic religion, not Polytheistic. Also, it makes it pretty silly when you call Kolob POO. Next, we believe that God does have blood, not some mysterious "powder." HEAVENLY FATHER HAD NO CONCUBINES. You are making it seem like Heavenly Father is a sexual-obsessed human, while he is a perfect God. Mary was NOT a concubine. God simply used his own power to impregnate her. He did not cheat on Heavenly Mother or have sex with her. There are other ways of creating life (i.e. Adam). Spirits do not have bodies, therefore they cannot have blood, bile, etc. God's bladder is not full of vacuum. Kolob has never been said to be in Cancer. Spiritual beings do not have children. Mormon theoligans say that a body is necessary for spiritual reproduction. Spirits do not need food. The main activity in the Celestial Kingdom is learning and progressing, not reproducing.
Even as I try to keep my calm, I can see that you are clearly totally Anti-Mormon. You lied about nearly everything on this website. You're tearing people from our faith that may have been sincerely interested and may have had a much better life if they had learned of the true Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints. I'm begging you, take this website down, and apologize. I don't care if you will accept this or not, byt this website is a lie and a disgrace to every piece of goodness that has ever come out of this church. Please, take it down.

Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2006
From: "emily long" <jabberwocky12345@yahoo.com>   <-- FALSE return address --Ed.
Subject: Mormonism

I feel very sorry for you. I cannot imagine that someone who would be so bitter as to attack and ridicule a group's beliefs could possibly be happy and self-satisfied. I would like to kindly advise that you devote your time and energy to a productive activity such as researching the true beliefs of the Mormons rather than choosing to believe the incorrect stereotypes that you have picked up from God knows where. If you could know the truth about the Mormon religion, then you could understand things instead of making false and crude accusations against us. Making such a mockery of something that other people hold to be sacred is making a mockery of God himself. I would suggest that you request to speak with some Mormon missionaries and acquire a Book of Mormon that you may read for yourself.
After frequently speaking at length with missionaries and reading the entire Book of Mormon, you may then form a real opinion about the religion, as you have not presently been educated about the real thing. I would like to ask that you stop saying false things about our Church.
I really believe that knowing and living the gospel brings blessings and happiness. Our church does not make false accusations about other religions; please do not attack us with them. I really hope that someday you and you loved ones may discover the gospel that you may have happiness and truth in your lives.

From: "justin bosley" <soldier85213@hotmail.com>
Subject: ???!!!!
Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 22

you guys have no idea what you are talking about!!! For one thing Our
name does not mean that Jesus Christ belongs to the saints. It means that
the church belongs to Jesus and the saints. For another Jesus Christ's name
IS Jehova, we don't put them together. Last of all stop pretending to be
LDS, because none of that stuff is what we teach. I am saddened and sickened
by your horroble website.

From: "Lori & Gordon Jennings" <swaimy1@msn.com>*
Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 15:39:09 -0600
Are you crazy?!! Mormons don't practice polygamy anymore. Where have you been? Under a rock?

* This Mormon gave a false email address.  Mormons seem to practice deception without conscience:  Joseph Smith could REALLY read and translate EGYPTIAN... sure ;)

Baptized in 1988
"It all depends on 
 what the meaning
of  of  is."

You  don't  have  to  be  an
Einstein   to figure that out!

From: BrighidMcCarthy@aol.com
Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 05:34:50 EDT
Subject: LDS: What's in a name?

Hello, Dearest Brother!

Heavenly Father is so proud of you for your steadfast determination to spread truth to all the world. He just wishes you were more successful. Someday He'll tell you directly, but until then I'm going to try to help. Today I'll start with just one of your silliest pages- "LDS: What's in a name?"

You made four main mistakes:

First, your definition was incomplete. The dictionary definition of "of" is much longer than you say: Here is the unedited Merriam Webster definition:

Main Entry: 1of
&v, before consonants also &; '&v, 'Àv

Function: preposition
Etymology: Middle English, off, of, from Old English, adverb & preposition; akin to Old High German aba off, away, Latin ab from, away, Greek apo
1 -- used as a function word to indicate a point of reckoning <north of the lake>
2 a -- used as a function word to indicate origin or derivation <a man of noble birth> b -- used as a function word to indicate the cause, motive, or reason <died of flu> c : BY <plays of Shakespeare> d : on the part of <very kind of you> e : occurring in <a fish of the western Atlantic>
3 -- used as a function word to indicate the component material, parts, or elements or the contents <throne of gold> <cup of water>
4 a -- used as a function word to indicate the whole that includes the part denoted by the preceding word <most of the army> b -- used as a function word to indicate a whole or quantity from which a part is removed or expended <gave of his time>
5 a : relating to : ABOUT <stories of her travels> b : in respect to <slow of speech>
6 a -- used as a function word to indicate belonging or a possessive relationship <king of England> b -- used as a function word to indicate relationship between a result determined by a function or operation and a basic entity (as an independent variable) <a function of x> <the product of two numbers>
7 -- used as a function word to indicate something from which a person or thing is delivered <eased of her pain> or with respect to which someone or something is made destitute <robbed of all their belongings>

8 a -- used as a function word to indicate a particular example belonging to the class denoted by the preceding noun <the city of Rome> b -- used as a function word to indicate apposition <that fool of a husband>
9 a -- used as a function word to indicate the object of an action denoted or implied by the preceding noun <love of nature> b -- used as a function word to indicate the application of a verb <cheats him of a dollar> or of an adjective <fond of candy>

10 -- used as a function word to indicate a characteristic or distinctive quality or possession <a woman of courage>
11 a -- used as a function word to indicate the position in time of an action or occurrence <died of a Monday> b : BEFORE <quarter of ten>
12 archaic : ON <a plague of all cowards -- Shakespeare>

Suppose that we used another definition. All these combinations would work. To use your format:

(Original format
inserted here

Go to web page

THIS  belongs-to THAT
king  of  the Jews
wheel of  cheese
state  of  mind


derived from


relating to



Definition Three


Definition Five


The Church


Jesus Christ


Latter-day Saints


relating to


relating to



Definition Five


Definition Five


The Church


Jesus Christ


Latter-day Saints


belonging to


relating to



Your definition


Definition Five


The Church


Jesus Christ


Latter-day Saints


which has


relating to



Definition Ten


Definition Five


The Church


Jesus Christ


Latter-day Saints


The class to which

THAT belongs

relating to



Definition Eight


Definition Five


The Church


Jesus Christ


Latter-day Saints


derived from


Which has



Definition Three


Definition Ten


The Church


Jesus Christ


Latter-day Saints

Your second mistake is that you forgot to account for differences in nineteenth century definitions. I happen to have a Facsimile of Noah Webster's 1828 Dictionary.

Additional definitions for "of":

Proceeding from, produced by- as in "Son of God"or "born of a Virgin" (Yes LDS do believe Mary was a virgin at the time of Christ's birth)

Concerning- as in "the quarrel is not now of fame and tribute, or of wrongs done."

From- as in "The best of men" or "I was entertained of him." or "It belongs to us of right." or "Of happy, he has become miserable." or "of necessity."

You may apply these to the context as you see fit.

Your third mistake is that the word "of" is not always directional, and even when it is, it could point in either direction. Take "King OF the Jews". Now does the King (if He is truly omnipotent) belong to the Jews, or do the Jews belong to the King?  The Jews belong to the King. However we don't say "Jesus Christ is the Jew of the King". That would make the subject "Jew" and we don't want to call Christ one of the Jews under the King. Christ is no "subset" of the Jews. In this case the direction is reversed.

THIS             owns                THAT

King                of                    the Jews

If the Church were to become the Church of Latter-day Saints of Jesus Christ, Two things would go wrong. First, the meaning would change . It would be a Church of Latter-day Saints, each of whom happens to have a relationship with Jesus Christ. This would give the Church less of a community tone.  It gives the idea that the Church, instead of the united "Church of Christ" is only a church made up of individual Latter-day Saints. Second, it changes the primary focus. It is the "Church of Jesus Christ" part that really matters. We ought to put "Church" and "Jesus Christ" as close together as possible. Those two words (Church and Christ) are the essence of what we are describing. The Church belongs to Jesus Christ not Latter-day Saints.  It is telling that while the name makes it clear that "Latter-day Saints" is only an add-on, the Church is still referred to as the "LDS Church" rather the "Church of Christ".

Your fourth mistake is that you group the phrases wrongly. If I said "the Bill of Rights of America", it could be grouped like this:

(The Bill of Rights)   (Rights of America)

      (meaning "the Bill which describes the rights of America"), or it could be grouped like this:

(The Bill of Rights)   (The Bill of America)

      (meaning, "the Bill which describes rights, and the bill which is used in/ belongs to America". In this example, the meaning changes only slightly, but with the Church name, grouping has more impact. You group like this:

(The Church of Jesus Christ)   (Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints)

      This makes the meaning something like "the Church which belongs to Jesus Christ who is/ belongs to a Latter-day Saint. Really it is mean to be grouped like this:

(The Church of Jesus Christ)  (The Church of Latter-day Saints)

      This now means "The Church which belongs to Jesus Christ and which is made up of Latter-day Saints."

Bonus Point: The Chosen People --
 What does the word saint  mean? 
A saint is a chosen person who is better than everybody else. [emphasis -ed]
 Definition at

Well, not quite. The word saint comes from the root word of sanctified, so a saint is someone cleansed, pure, and holly. When it was first applied to Christians, it referred to all Christian believers, however, it was subsequently remolded to mean primarily one canonized by the Roman Catholic Church. Mormons (by the way, I've never heard of a Mormon who minded that name) brought the word back to its original meaning. Also it is interesting to note that in the 1828 dictionary, a saint could simply be one who is eminent for their piety or virtue.  

By the way, could you provide some documentation for your claim that official Mormon leaders complained about the name Mormon in an official statement?  [Official statement here: see Salt Lake city Newspapers, OF a couple OF years ago -ed.]

Have a wonderful week, fellow truth-seeker! I'll write again.

Your Sister

From: "Said Ait Hammou" <said2006_us@msn.com>
Subject: hello
Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2006 13:51:39 -0600 IP      Address:

 I'm moslemI would like to know what's time for moslems prayer in salt lake city

Our reply --

Dearest Said Ait Hammou,
If praying works, pray, pray pray, try to find and know that time in every city. When you receive the answerer let us know that praying worked, and we will publish that fact. OK?   And THEN, tell us the time!!

From: Cream100k@aol.com
Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2007
Subject: Comments on Mormonis

Dear sir, I am a Mormon born and raised, just wanted to let you know by the way, that I honestly believe none of your anti-Mormon arguments can really hold any water, though I must admit they are quite elaborate, but I have neither the time or patience to address any of them, nor do I believe I could actually convert someone so spiritually blind. I only hope that you are sufficiently convinced in your own conscience, so that maybe you might come off guiltless in the end.  Sincerely A Child of God.

Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 00:50

Faith is believing something is true even though you cannot see it. I hope someday you will have the opportunity to marry in the temple. It sounds like you are confused. If you pray with a pure heart and good intention God will answer. Do not be deceived by man- made ideas based on fear of the unknown. When the spirit speaks it is a whisper and a feeling that you cannot deny. I sincerely hope you find what you are looking for.

From: michelle mckinnon <shelsterz@sbcglobal.net>
Subject: your "secret handshake page"

At 10:13 AM 5/19/2007, you wrote:
I'm an LDS member and the things on your website about the secret handshake and "magic underwear" and "mormonism" is not true what so ever. we have no "secret handshake" or ways of telling wether the person is an angel or not. we believe that the devil cannot come to earth he can just influence others to make wrong decisions but the devil himself cannot come to the earth...ever. the devil has very little power over us he only has power over us if we let him.

we have no secret handshake. the only handshake we have is a greeting that can be used by anyone. like a co-worker and his boss...theres nothing special about our handshake.

we have no "magic underwear" there actually referred to as garments. garments are just used to help us stay modest. becuase mormons have certain guide lines we need to stay modest so the 'garments' are used to set our barrier of whats modest and whats not.

thank you for your time and i hope you will change your "secret handshake page"

yours truly,

Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 16:50:24
From: John Nørgaard <jnorgaard@vip.cybercity.dk>

What a miserable web site. Why do you waste all that energi critizising others faith? Tell others about your own faith. That would be more interesting and uplifting. I didn't find anything faith-building on your site. Only miserable criticism. Who has the spirit of criticism? You should be using the short time of the rest of your life to seriously consider whether or not you're engaged in a just case, and whether og not you are prepared to leave this life with joyfull expectation.

  From: "denise mills" <esotericgoddess@earthlink.net> To: "KRP" <nowsc@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: ++ Nephite Sighting Report ++

How funny you are....(~.~)  I think you mean "kook" as what you wrote means

a person who prepares food.  So, perhaps you are right after all, I am

cooking your emotions, aren't I?  Sweet loving Mormon who curses when



The Mormon faith is preparing, yes paving the way for the Anti-Christ.

There is only one God, but your faith calls God a Liar and says that each

and every one of you so-called faithful Mormons will be exactly like he who

created us?  Adam and Eve were kicked out of Eden for believing the serpent

when he said, "eat of this and you will become gods", that serpent was

Lucifer, so you are basically following the word of Lucifer, not God.  God

said, "Do not eat of that tree.", because you will think you are gods and

we are not worthy, not even you puritanical preverters of God's truth.  Who

is any man to "restore" the word of God!?!?  People who worship themselves,

that's who.  Quit pretending that you really care about Jesus, or God or

anything holy, because you only really believe in control, denial of real

truth and judgement.


Your endowment ceremony is a tribute to Satan, who struggles with God and

in your version beats HE who created everything in the universe.  What is

your real connection to any god we know, or to the true heart of Jesus our

Christ?  You are really Satan worshippers who have twisted the word of God,

via a occult freak named Joseph Smith....


From your own website:

"Mormonism teaches that God was once a man and men can become Gods, Jesus

and Satan are 'spirit brothers', god married the virgin Mary, Jesus was

married, etc. This tool is most useful for new Mormon converts and those

thinking of joining."


This "tool" is sick and cruel and evil and only your arrogance and your

perverted lies, not any true holiness, will be seen by the ONE AND ONLY

GOD.  Joseph Smith was a pervert who raped young girls and married women

and was a fortune hunter, soothsayer, treasure digger, glass-looker,

chrystal-ball reader, and thief so go ahead and believe in this filthy lie,

silly goose ....Shame on all of you for falling for the oldest deception in

the book; Following a false prophet.  If you read one single book that

wasn't printed in Salt Lake City, you might have something more than

ameobic dysentary in the place where your God-given brain ought to be.


There....how do you like me now....?  (~.~)

Much love, light and peace,


From: Bradyn Watson <woprocks@bewop.com>
Subject: About Mormans
Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2007 06:15:52 +0000

Hello Nowsc,

Let me get strait to the point.
I understand you have a website about mormans, I came looking (and found) a MIDI version of If you could hie to kolob. I read a bit about what you put, and just want to say that its the kind of people like you that make my day so ridiculusly filled with bad jokes and rumors about mormans that I can hardly bear it. I also can't beleive that you can assume so much about us when you don't know what the heck you're talking about. I beleive this with all my heart, might, mind and strentgh, and I am willing to dedicate my life to it. You must not have much of a social life, to spend your time so wrapped up in this kind of thing. You better be proud of yourself, because  you make more and more people leave this wounderful church of happy people, that try they very best to be good people. Their is nothing wrong with that, and if you think so, you may respond directly to me, and I am willing to have a talk about it. I am one of those people who loves this so much, and is arranging a beutiful peice, so I can play it at a fireside (shame on you if you "study" us so hard as to not know what that is) and I can help people to understand more about our principals. Which in fact have nothing to do with space, or beer, outer spece, or sex, or drugs, or anything of that matter.
You disgust me, and I'm suppose to not hate you, which is one of the hardest parts.

We were sent here for a purpose, and not to waist our time mocking each other.

From: "George Jerkovich" <gjerkovich@cox.net>
Subject: ++ Nephite Sighting Report ++

I am aghast at the total stupidity of this site.  This is bordering on the psychotic. 

Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 04:05
From: "Crystal Murphy" <ladymacbeth_1600@yahoo.com>
Subject: Temple Ordinances and the Argumentative Style

You are entitled to your opinions and the emotions attached to them, but you have no right to display temple ordinances over the Internet. I understand that you think the world has the right to know what the big "secret" is, but people have as much of a right to know what happens in the temple as they have the right to know what happens behind the closed doors of your bedroom. Who cares if you think Mormons are pointless and stupid, the point is that the people who practice this faith believe it to be true and hold it sacred (not "secret"). It seems to me that you got what you wanted--a bunch of pissed off Mormons--but it is inappropriate and cruel to make public something so cherished and sacred to the LDS faith. I understand where you are coming from, and I understand that you find the Mormon culture and religion to be pure rubbish, but that doesn't give you the right to expose something so private and precious--it's not like the Mormons are out to get you.


Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2007 15:35
Subject: Mormonism

I am emailing you in response to some of the posting on your website. I was a very active member in the LDS church until three years ago. I have a lot of inside information that helps me understand the practice and teachings of the LDS church. It is very interesting to read what peoples views are about the LDS church and can state that many just speculate about what they have heard or think goes on in this religion. Being baptized at age eight and being an active member till age 37, I held many callings in the church and was never exposed to any immoral or lude rituals that many have described. I can affirm that yes some of the temple rituals were changes from when I first attended the temple. In fact this is one of the reasons I have left their teachings.
If a ritual performed in the House of The Lord, is truly the ritual God intended then why would man ever change it?

LDS state that there were never death oaths in the temple. In fact they are mistaken or lying. We did indeed utter words and act out signs of death punishment.

The Bible states that if any man looked upon the face of God they would surely die. Yet Joseph Smith supposedly looked upon the face of God and didn't die.

LDS state that they believe in the Bible "as long as it is translated correctly" but yet they are willing to put their salvation on the line and believe in something that a uneducated boy wrote.

LDS teach families are forever. In fact you may be sealed (married in the temple) and have your spouse and children with you forever. The Bible says that there is no marriage in Heaven that we will be like angles.

LDS honor the writings in the Book of Abraham. Many who are masters in Egyptology's have compared the parchment JS transcribed and have proved that it is not at all about Abraham.

LDS believe that you are rewarded for your works. The Bible says that the crucifixion of Jesus Christ paid the price for our sins.

I could go on and on about the many differences, however I have put all that behind me. I will say that many or all of the younger members have never heard or read many of the things the old leaders did or said. It is totally a blind faith. Nothing has ever been proved, everything is conjecture, and the teachings of the past or not the teaching of today. Is not God the same today, tomorrow, as yesterday? Then so should his teachings.

One last thought. I have decided that all religion is inaccurate, in fact even possibly bad. Why? Religion is mans interpretation of Gods word, man is a sinner, any attempt to add to or rewrite Gods word is blaspheme.



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From: julie blais <julienoellblais@hotmail.com>
Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2008 19:02:07 -0400

You can't face the truth I feel sorry for you. I hope that if you are a christian you would see how your not something that our savior Jesus the Christ would do. And a few little word will not hurt me of the 13 million mormons around the world. I read books and have an education. Now I am no longer going to answer you. But I will leave you with my testimony that the book of mormon is true ,the church is true and we have a prophet on this earth today. I say all this In Jesus' name. Amen

From: Eric Lyman <lucian1054@hotmail.com>
To: <nowscape@yahoo.com>
Subject: Please remove my paintings, photograph, and comments from your website
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 00:47

Hello. My name is Barbara A. Lyman. I noticed that on "Mormon opinions ~ Tithing ~ Mitt Romney ~ disingenuous" ( nowscape.com/suck/Mormon_opinions_tithing_Romney.htm ) you have quoted letters I wrote to Deseret News. On the same page, you have used my copyrighted paintings and photograph* without permission. While I appreciate your giving me an additional venue to express myself, I would have preferred you had asked my permission. Please remove the letters and the images from your site, and do not reprint any of my work again.

Thank you,
Barbara A. Lyman

* These are the URLs to the files you have used without permission:
ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41KJ3JH346L._SL500_AA280_.jpg, and
nowscape.com/suck/images/Barbara_A_Lyman.jpg .

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