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Scams -- Dishonesty -- Abuse -- Salt Lake Baptist College
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Here is how it began... I first met "Doc" at a winter solstice party. The conversation turned to the historicity of Jews in Egypt. I said that the Bible story has no basis in history -- that there were never any Jews in captivity in Egypt. The reverend Doctor disagreed and said he would prove me wrong using non-scriptural sources. As he did not know his facts offhand but he would look up his beliefs and send me the evidence.
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Salt Lake Baptist College Introducing... Christ's Servant in Utah and Administrative Vice President Author, educator and VP at Salt Lake Baptist College.
"I have Bachelor degree from Texas Baptist Bible College and a Master's and
two
Doctorates from Salt Lake Baptist College!
I am currently the
Administrative Vice President
as well as a professor in the
college."
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Similarly to Dr.
Terry Jones (of "burn the
Koran fame
in 2010"), Dr. "Doc" Terry VanBuskirk does not understand
much about the history of his Bible:
The Reverend's first letter to me... * [Ed: If you want to read about this "massive amount", click here, but be advised it's all junk.] |
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The Reverend Dr. VanBuskirk says "there are multiplied hundreds of more sites on these subjects" meaning many more web sites exist on this subject -- the historicity of Jews in Egypt. Yet he only gave these few links... None address the question. In an email I told him so, after having looked at all these links. I thought he was being dishonest in using these links to fortify his claim that Jews existed in Egypt and I told him so. My email to him: Thank you, but don't make this so too difficult and obtuse. You sent me links to follow, yet they yield nothing pertaining to our quest -- evidence of JEWS in Egypt. If you could gather all the good stuff, the real stuff, not just Wholly Babble (Holt Bible:) thumper's articles about these things, but the real things, that could be appreciated and it will be more honest -- and would not waste my time. And PLEASE realize that sending Bible quotes doesn't count as evidence! I'm going to ignore those because we want evidence from outside of religion -- from history, from archeology, yes? I once made a claim claim [to a Mormon] that there is no evidence of iron or steel in Pre-Columbian America [as the Book of Mormon claims], and a friend offered to give me evidence of it. He showed me a book about pre-Columbian copper fish hooks. [That was dishonest. The reverend is doing the same here, it seems.] I hope your evidence won't weasel out like that, I'd hate to think that you'd try dishonesty, what with being a man of the cloth and all. I haven't read all of your material yet, and I'll wait for the winnowed down material. I don't need a lot to believe your point, I need only one good piece of evidence for me to change my mind. So please don't do to me more like your links, it's nothing. Give me the meat only, OK? Thanks in advance. Ps: I have a link that's much more in the ballpark of this subject:
moses-news.htm. |
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Happy new year, doc ! [2007]
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But to spend several hours to do exactly what I said I WOULD do cannot be called dishonest by anyone that understands the meaning of the word. --- I'll try this then: I will pray that you will send this evidence tomorrow. If praying works, you will find it in time to share it with me. If praying doesn't work, then we'll know just that -- that praying doesn't work.
 --- Yes, thanks. But please remember just cobbling together a bunch of off-topic web pages with links on them that you didn't read -- does not count! I need the MEAT. Where are the cemeteries, the artifacts the Jewish oil lamps and bones, and the records of the Egyptians. I have seen almost literally tons of Egyptian stone hieroglyphics, letters form Egyptian writers written on wood and papyrus covering a multitude of subjects from records of warfare, letters home, letters of complaint to the employers of paid pyramid workers, to just plain bragging of rulers. It would be dishonest to say for sure that Jews were there, without having any evidence for that. You might as well believe that Martians made the pyramids, as the evidence for that is equal to your "evidence", let alone proof of the existence of Jews in Egypt. Correct me if I'm wrong.
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At 11:05 AM 1/3/2007, you wrote: What makes you think God would answer the prayers of an unbeliever? --- well I now have some evidence that god answers prayers, your reply arrived in time, but I also prayed that your reply would contain the answer. It does not. Instead you refer me to "at least one of the links". Which one, for christ's sake ?
At least one of the links I sent you, that I did have the time to check out, mentioned Canaanites, which would have included the Hebrews, in Egypt. And they also referred to the term Ipuru, Hebrew, which was given to the Israelites by the Egyptians.
--- If I pray for His blessing and I receive none, then praying does not work, since he would have chosen to to bless me. |
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02:26 AM 1/4/2007, you wrote
--- "Biblical Archaeology" is good on the Bible things but it's crap on Archaeology. For example, in the late seventies, I read an explanation in that rag abut the Shroud of Turin, where it hypothesized that during resurrections, a new sub-atomic particle is created -- and I'm not making this up -- the resurrectron -- and that that's what probably "burned in" a 3-D image of the Resurrecrtee's burial shroud. Later I found a book in which it was admitted --in the first paragraph of the book -- that the shroud of Turin had bee dated to only the mid-14th century. And the marks on it are only paint, for Christ's sake! So, be skeptical. Tread lightly when you read "Biblical Archaeology" as these people have an axe to grind. Like you.
Here is one you might want to look at
first:
http://web.archive.org/web/*/http:/www.truthbeknown.com/exodus.htm
[WayBackMachine]
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...because that is not my intent. I promised to try to source them for you over the internet but have not been able to do so, so far. Some of those I have found for you already are quite sound. Especially the ones on the historicity of Jesus. They were from Roman, not religious, sources. (Pliny the younger, etc.)
--- Please don't come jammering now, my friend. At the Winter Solstice Party you seemed quite glib and dismissive, (sometimes I'm mistaken) like oh, it's noting to give you this information. Then you tried to trick me into falsely thinking that all of your previous hyperlinks you emailed to me pertain to our subject here I wasted a lot of time following them. Next you said that, oh well, at least one of those was good link. Now it seems that perhaps you have read that link yourself by now -- and not before -- and it turned out, unapologetically, like crap That's what I think; correct me of I'm wrong. ...but I will invest a bit more. Duties here are currently extremely pressing (80-100 hour work weeks for the last couple of weeks- today has already been 15 hours) and the next two days I will be entirely involved in redesigning and rebuilding the entire sound system and sound station in the church building, so I can do nothing more concerning this current question until next week. I will try to source more information for you then. Please be patient. I will do the best I can as I promised. |
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At 02:57 AM 1/4/2007, you wrote:
I have Bachelor degree from Texas Baptist Bible College and a Master's and two Doctorates from Salt Lake Baptist College. --- Ahem... Have you any learning form secular sources? Can you tell punctuated equilibrium from pointilism? I am currently the Administrative Vice President as well as a professor in the
college.
--- So god sometimes answers the prayer of believers and god sometimes answer the prayers of nonbelievers. --- God sometime does not answer the prayer of believers and sometimes does not answer the prayers of nonbelievers. There's no distinction here. This seems stupid, reverend. God treats both groups the same, for christ's sake!
Yet you tell me that if I pray for a SPEEDY
resolution to your giving me [an un-believer] the
Jew-answers, He will ignore me. You are either
sanctimonious, joking or you know a lot, but not
much about the historicity of Jew in Egypt -- at
least not now [because as you tell me, you need to
look up the foundation of your beliefs]. So, Dr.,
why don't you just pray for this answer and be dome
with it? Praying only should take a second,
especially since Mr. Omniscient up there already
knows what's on your mind before you open your mid
or your heart, whatever ya'll do; he's busy waiting for you to grovel and worship, to prove to someone that he is indeed the Ruler of the Universe. I'm interested in the Historicity of the Jews in Egypt. Even a blind man can see that praying is as useless as tits on a boar. If praying works, I hold you , Dr. E.T. VanBuskirk PERSONALLY RESPONSIBLE for all the bad shit going down now and in the past and in the future. And I chose my words carefully here, Reverend. --- OK, lets try it, then. Please pray for my salvation. I will do nothing and thus fight God. Let's see if he's more powerful than I. Please reply that you have received this message, indicating that my salvation is imminent. Then I'll tell you if I have a salved feeling on my end If not, then we'll have shown your praying for salvation does not work. On the other hand, the Omnipotent may not be able to change my salvation status because I don't need it I'm an atheist, for christ's sake. I have never sinned and can never sin. That's one of the cool things about not believing in god/s. Damn, I'm off the subject again.
 --- No, that's OK. Thanks anyway. I'll look at
your link,
http://www.asknoah.org/
later -- I just took a peek now and I don't have a good feeling about it....who has been quite helpful to me on a major project I am currently working on- a video and series of ten lectures on the Ten Commandments. I begin delivering them this coming Sunday--- While you're there, you might bring it into context with the the parts of Exodus that condones slavery, manservants, how to treat them and that it's ok to have them. I've always wanted one. ...evening and will also be delivering them on the road this summer with the tour of Tent Meetings from Texas to Washington state. I'm sure the man on the Ask Noah site has better access to info on Moses than I do at this time,--- weasel! Postponement will not look good on your record, my friend :) And nobody cares about Moses; You promised me a horde of Egyptian Jews ...after all Moses was their go-between when they received The Law,--- Jews are much more entrenched in this belief in Moses than everyone else - they have a bigger axe to grind. Moses is much more important to them than he is to christians. To them he's like "our" jesus is to Crustians. After all that's all they have, more or less -- the equivalent of "our" Old Testament. Good luck on your lecture on the Ten Suggestions, though. ...and might be quite helpful to you in this matter. Should you like to contact him, let me know and I will have my wife e-mail you the link. She has been handling the contact with him for my research, so she has the e-mail address. I don't. If you want it, I will have her send it to you. Let me know.--- No thanks and quit trying to palm this off on your wife and other experts. It's you who made the promise, not they.
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--- In this link, I found lots of material about the historicity of Attila the Hun, quickly and easily. Just one good (easy) source is Wikipedia. Attila the Hun existed! Jews in Egypt did not. I'm not going to slug thru that stuff on the net of the page, especially with the disclaimer in the first sentence that there is no evidence of habitation of Israelites in Egypt. Why are you so lazy? If this evidence exists, please cut and paste the material on that page into a reply. Thanks in advance. [Eventually I did read that web page] --- You know, having Archeological evidence would really be good. Some photos of the sites, pottery, and documents. Where's the beef ? The next link concerned Moses and was quite informative. However, even I am not satisfied with the connections and conclusions made and the proofs offered. Seemed a bit nebulous to me. They draw possible conclusions but not definitive ones. I would have to do some quite extensive research and try to contact some experts in Egyptology for confirmation and more evidence before I would accept that one and the conclusions they drew. As I said, possible conclusions but not definitive ones. |
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--- Now you say *IF*... before you did not say that. Now you said "God will answer a prayer for salvation from an unbeliever IF that person is making sincere request from the heart." --- What you ACTUALLY said was this: "God promises to answer the prayer of the believer. With the non-believer He has never promised to answer their prayers. But, even though He has not obligated himself to do so, He does sometimes answer their prayers,..." --- This means that god sometimes answers the prayer of believers and god sometimes answer the prayers of nonbelievers. [We know well that He does not answer believers' prayers for world peace, for example. So...]
--- I now see why you were so reluctant to point out to me why the ONE link out of the crap you first send me came so late. In the link's very first paragraph it says that there isn't any evidence of the Jews. You knew that an were reluctant to point that out and give it as your best evidence do far, because you knew it would be dishonest.
Furthermore, you never pointed out the MEAT on that "best" link because you knew it wasn't there, yes He won't answer sarcasm with salvation because the sarcastic one wasn't really asking for it in the first place- but rather only blowing the hot air of a buffoon. Well, we'll leave that matter in God's hands. Galatians 6:7 "Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap."--- so, you will continue pray, knowing for sure that it won't work. How goofy of you! Besides, telling god just once ought to suffice, don't you think he heard you the first time, or what? Meanwhile, I will just wait here to be saved -- I shall do nothing to prevent or speed up my salvation. Let's see who is more powerful in this regard, God or me, ha ha. He has given you free will and you have chosen to exercise it.--- I, for one have no free will, believing free will is stupid. If I had free will I'd choose to be different from most, as it is I'm the same as everyone else. My prayers for your salvation will be answered by God; but it will be done by Him continuing to work on your heart through people and circumstances and the Holy Spirit- but,--- Do your worst! :) cause your god to save me, I dare you. I will do nothing to prevent or encourage it, I will just wait her and not even give it any thought. He will not force you to get saved.--- OK, cool. That has to be your choice.--- I won't choose... perhaps, if god is too stupid to know that, you should tell him and ask him to override my "free will" to choose not to choose. The ball is in your court, reverend. Pray, pray longer, pray louder... do whatever needs to be done. It's your [TAX-EXEMPT] business, not mine. God has given us free will and that thing which He has given to you cannot be abrogated by my prayers.--- I see, in this case then, your prayers don't work? You are beginning to see my point, reverend :) By the way, I asked the whole church to pray for you during our Wednesday night prayer meeting .--- Yeah, 50 uneducated ignorami who, like you think that Egyptian thing really happened, when evidence tells us it didn't. I'm impressed, my friend! Your single repeated praying isn't good enough, why? Louder, harder, more, more often? Jesus, your omniscient god must be deaf! Why do you people think that repeating, and nauseam, a heartfelt sincere prayer to the omniscient is going to change His own will and plans -- especially since he knew all along what was on yall's minds? Too bad you didn't want to read the rest of that first page I sent in that first list and then looked it up for you again. There was some fairly good stuff there. We'll see what you do with the next ones.--- I do want to read it. And I will, now, but I'll be really pissed if this is another wild goose chase, your previous links have been so disingenuous. After your correction, if I get one, I'll take the time to go thru, one by one, to show that each link is crap. It's up to you. Also, you took the Attila the Hun thing out of context.--- I don't remember. Your point then, was...? Gotta try to get a bit of sleep now. By the way, prayer works.--- Really? The 50 people praying for my salvation seem to have had no effect, I feel definitely un-saved. So now we have shown that praying does not work. NOTHING HAS HAPPENED! In fact, I don't even think that I need salvation. I'm OK. I've never sinned. If salvation means, among other things that next, I'll believe the Jews left not a single pottery shard, midden, building foundation in the desert, then I don't particularly want to be saved because salvation would mean stupidity. But I'll leave it up to you and your 50. Read them my email, OK? He apparently needs to be told everything 50-fold, ad nauseam? I'm not the only one that believes so.--- Apparently voting on the truth suddenly has validity. What a stupid thing to say, Herr Doctor! --- I hope you'll send me the evidence of the Historicity of Jewish habitation in Egypt soon. |
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Dear Doc,
If it should turn out that there is no archeological evidence of Jewish habitation and servitude in paranoiac Egypt, would you be intellectually strong enough to accept it ? I think not, if you follow the stereotype of True Believers -- that’s my prediction of what will happen.
1. The belief that something is true, in spite of evidence to the contrary.
Best regards,
Ps: as you can see, your 50-person
prayer team has not yet had an effect. Perhaps you should ask them
(I don’t want to tell you how to do your job
:) to pray LOUDER, HARDER, LONGER, MORE, MORE SINCERELY, SYCOPHANTICALLY and GENUFLECTINGLY, whatever… let’s see if your praying will work! |
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I'm just about finished with rebuilding the sound station. I spent the better part of two days on it already. I'll finish up tomorrow. Then I'll be able to allot some more time to "the Jew thing."
I'm running a search right now on my e-mail to see if I can find the article that I was originally searching for that I told you about the night of our conversation.
I'll let you know if I find it. I lost several thousand e-mails when we changed servers last year. I hope it is still there somewhere.
Doc
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At 10:43 AM 1/8/2007, you wrote: --- But I stray, sorry. --- I Have little respect for you -- and why should I have respect ? You have tried to trick me, lie to me, weasel, you; you are smug and intolerant of other peoples modes of expression, religion and weltanschauung. So, now you have an excuse to NOT find that elusive Egyptian Jew information -- you can say to yourself, oh, gee this fellow is not worthy and he's not of my religion.
Doc
--- A story about Moses just won't do, reverend. We really ought to see some bones, graves, pottery, Synagogues -- REMNANTS!!! If your sunken Egyptian Chariot wheel can establish that Egyptians inhabited Egypt -- then we need to see something of that kind to think that Jews inhabited Egypt. My expectations are high, and from the tome of your jammering here it seems that a story about Moses ought to prove anything. Come on, reverend, don't try to INSULT out intelligence. I want meat. Where's the beef?
--- Your information of the Jews was such poor quality, misleading and insulting, what with all your weaseling and the crap-reading I had to do on account of the information you sent me. I'll think about Jesus after we finish the Israelites' Egyptian connection, if you don't mind. My suspicion is that now, knowing you better, you will try to give similarly dishonest references. But I'll reserve judgment. Perhaps some Roman contemporaries of Jesus made a note of His events. I hope so, else Christianity would be a fraud.
(The info on Jesus was just a side-note in our conversation, but I did send you what secular info I could find on the net.) Ed: Oh-uh... I see another weasel in the bush. |
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I still have not been able to find the original article on Moses in Egypt that I referred to the night of our original conversation. I am afraid it was lost when the college switched servers last year. The man who runs our website
(email) didn't know that my
e-mail, at that time, was not downloaded to my computer as it is now. I now use Outlook Express and it automatically downloads all mail to my computer from my two main accounts (personal and college accounts). When he switched us over, I lost hundreds of archived e-mails that were stored on the previous server. They are irretrievable. It took me months to reestablish contact with some of my students.
[Maybe the dog ate it -Ed.]
However, I did do some more research and came up with the following site. Interesting parallels between an ancient Egyptian papyrus and the book of Exodus.
http://www.specialtyinterests.net/ipuwer.html
[This parallel becomes much less evident when not taken out of context, see here for a full translation of Papyrus Ipuwer, and here (Wikipedia) -Ed.]
There are many more sites concerning this papyrus-some pro and some con. You can access them by running a search using "Ipuwer Papyrus" on the internet.
Google gave me dozens of hits. I looked at many and, as I said, some are pro and some are con concerning a connection with the Exodus. You can decide what you think the connection might or might not be.
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Luckily for us, what's on your church's computer is not crucial to the problem of the Historicity of the Jews! I'm waiting for the evidence from you.
If it's a fact, there will be many documented excavations, studies, GRAVES, BONES, PAPYRI, MONUMENTS, INSCRIPTIONS, FOUNDATIONS OF DWELLINGS, SYNAGOGUES, STREETS, OIL LAMS, MINORAs, MIDDENS, TOOLS, FISH HOOKS. Did you even come across one archeology book on this subject? I'll wait here by my modem :)
Only a fool would have a false religion.
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At 12:38 AM 1/14/2007, you wrote:
He has used nature on many occasions. He created it and has the right to use it if He so chooses.) So I guess it depends on who you choose to believe.---I don't believe you until you quit stalling and send me the EVIDENCE you said which you know of and promised to provide. Pleas LOOK UP YOUR BELIEFS and at least tell me the name of the museum / facility which houses the evidence we both seek. Why are you being so difficult? Many times "debunking" is in the "eye of the beholder." Many of the web sites were "pro" and many were "con." That's what I stated in my e-mail when I sent it to you. As I said then, I say again, you choose what to do with the info.--- I choose to believe that no Jews were in Egypt because I have seen no evidence of such a fantastic claim. You told me yo have it and are weaseling, stalling, or uneducated on the subject. Perhaps you're not dishonest about it, you just don't know the facts. It seems that something like that should have been covered in your divinity PhD school, no? Shame either way, yes? I simply was supplying it to you as I promised. Doc
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At 01:07 AM 1/14/2007, you wrote:---I Ignored nothing. You are an ass for saying that. I looked at everything you sent me!! The problem is that it was ALL just junk. You gave me ONLY shit. No artifacts, nothing. No documented excavations, GRAVES, BONES, PAPYRI, MONUMENTS, INSCRIPTIONS, FOUNDATIONS, SYNAGOGUES, STREETS, OIL LAMS, MINORAs, MIDDENS, TOOLS, FISH HOOKS -- No E=V=I=D=E=N=C=E ! Also since you have ignored my request for us to communicate on a civil basis and have continued to use the Lord's name in vain and continued to purposely and personally insult me, then I have no choice but to break off correspondence with you. --- Oh, excuse me, I apologise! I've received insults from you and from religious people, telling me here is shit ... ahem "evidence", telling me I'm a sinner, telling me that I'm not living my life correctly, getting lectured, saying that your WHOOLY BABBLE stories are true, SANS EVIDENCE, and now you have the gall to complain about STYLE ?! I didn't even ask for proof! I only asked for descent EVIDENCE! You really take the cake, reverend. You are a WORM, in my opinion.  --- Above was *MY* prediction : "You will use as excuse the tone of my letter, not is substance, to claim moral superiority or insult, and thus weasel that it's because of that, that you won't supply the EVIDENCE" -- It looks like I'm a better prophet than any in your camp. At least I predicted something that, afterwards, actually happened. HA! You have proven yourself to be an uncivilized person with no sense of common decency. Nevertheless I had hoped that my prediction might not come true.
We leave it up to God to answer as He sees fit.--- Don't do that! Pray for my salvation. The you'll know right away if it works. It doesn't work, because nothing has happened to me. If you god-combo were real, I would despise them, all three of them -- well four of them -- if you count the devil as an Omniscient Omnipresent being. --- That's stupid, too. I am more powerful that you imaginary HE; HA HA. --- Let me know when you and you PRAYER SQUAD have given up, so I and my friend can have a big laugh. Then I'll publish the results on the 'net. You choose whether you will yield or not. --- Yes, I choose to yield. Do your worst, "reverend Double-Dr.-Phd" You Weasel, you. --- Your goofy prayers don't work. Praying is stupid. It does not work, see? Try honesty next time you attend an atheist party. Perhaps you might learn something. Your Baptist Ministry school didn't educate you -- or you would not think that you URLs are evidence. Pray to ask your trinity-combo and god-on-a-stick to make your smart, educated and honest. Quit lying to people. You are stupid, or you are dishonest. Both are bad qualities, I'm sorry but I don't see it any other way. He has given you that choice. Exercise it as you will. I don't know what you are truly seeking in your life, but I hope you find it. I am not mad at you, just disappointed that you have chosen this uncivilized track. --- It's uncivilized to lie, weasel and to be uneducated. Read a book, get an education, "Doctor Double-Phd". Only a fool would have a false religion. god bless you. Your name, VanBuskirk translates as "Of the Penitence Church", yes? Repent, for christ's sake! If no more evidence is forthcoming from you, this will have to stand as is. Be nice. Goodbye, god Bless. |
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I'm UNDERWHELMED, reverend. 
RE:
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On a side note -- your remarks about prayer. God promises to answer the prayer of the believer. With the non-believer He has never promised to answer their prayers. But, even though He has not obligated himself to do so, He does sometimes answer their prayers,
Only a fool would have a false religion.
Yes, I would like info on
--- OK, it's just SO0oo convenient, isn't it
LINKS
Response to Mr. Lobdell and Rev. Buskirk
Religion beat became a test of faith
[GOOGLE]:
Rev. Jerry Vine
[Wikipedia]:
Rev. Ted Haggard
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What the Reverend sent me in support of his idea that Jewish slaves inhabited Egypt was absolute Junk.
From: "Doc Van" docvbk@msn.com>
Here is some of the info I promised to send to you. There is a massive amount more available on the internet from secular as well as religious
sources.
But, here are just a few that I have had the time [sic] to dig out for you.
The Reverend's email is in
BLACK; mine are shown in
BLUE
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The
Exodus:
 http://www.geocities.com/worldview_3/exodus.html "Admittedly, there is not an abundance of specific archaeological evidence to confirm each particular event in the biblical account of God delivering the people of Israel out of Egypt through Moses, as described in the book of Exodus ..." - Moses: http://biblelight.net/moses.htm At the bottom of this page are various links from which the info was gathered for the article [at this web page].
Amazing Discoveries is committed to giving the last message of warning to this world with special emphasis on Bible Prophecy, the music [sic] world" Link 2: www.pilgrimpromo.com below, it's the same ? and naturally nothing about Jews in Egypt, either, or about Moses.
http://www.pilgrimpromo.com/WAR/discovered/html/chapter12.htm this one seems quite informative. "The kings of the 18th Dynasty are stated by historians as being named either Amenhotep and Thutmoses." There was a Thutmose(s) ? III, II who was the sixth Pharaoh of the Eighteenth Dynasty. Wikipedia informs us that Thutmose III ruled from 1479 BC to 1425 BC according to the Low Chronology of Ancient Egypt. -- nothing about Jews in Egypt. General info on Moses and the Israelites in Egypt: http://www.creationontheweb.com/content/view/1827/ The CREATIONISTS here tell us noting about the Historicity of Moses, on this site which is supposed to substantiate that Jews were in Egypt. On this web page we see ?It is true that there is no evidence for Moses, the ten plagues that fell upon Egypt or the exodus ?at that time?.? However this web site goes on to say that Egyptologist have most of the dates wrong, therefore Moses and Jewish slaves existed after all (sic). BBC broadcast on Moses: https://listhost.uchicago.edu/pipermail/ane/2002-November/004626.html Here, a computer is said to validated the story of Moses [ed.]: "In Moses, the latest scientific evidence is combined with state-of-the-art computer graphics and dramatic reconstructions to reveal the sensational truths that lie at the heart of the Moses story." also: http://www.abc.net.au/compass/s271762.htm Moses mentioned 3 times, no info on Jews, Slavery or Moses.
Christ's Servant in Utah
Dr. T.E. VanBuskirk Administrative Vice President Salt Lake Baptist College docvbk@saltlakebaptistcollege.org http://saltlakebaptistcollege.org 801-964-0763 ALUMNI
Doc
The Reverend Dr. VanBuskirk says "there are multiplied
[sic]
hundreds of more sites on these subjects"
-- the historicity of Jews in Egypt. Yet he only gave these few links, and they are *ALL* junk! None addresses this question. In an email I told him that. I thought the good reverend is dishonest in using these links to fortify his claim that Jews existed in Egypt and I told him so.
Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 My email to Dr. T.E. VanBuskirk 20 Oct 2009 15:45
FFRF sues IRS, Geithner and California over 'Minister of Gospel' tax benefits
Sincerely yours. From: docvbk@saltlakebaptistcollege.org Thank you for your communication concerning "To a Dishonest Scheisster."
It has been received and routed to the proper mailbox. [Oh yeah... sure...] You are important to us. Your communication has been routed to the proper person and if it requires an answer, expect one within 24-48 hours excluding weekends when the offices are closed... [snip] Thank you, The Rev. Dr. T.E. VanBuskirk is spamming people with a link to a Viagra advert.
I told him about it. From: "Dr. TERRY VANBUSKIRK" docvbk@msn.com> From: "Dr. TERRY VANBUSKIRK"
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[Unfortunately it's still legal to perpetrate the fraud you're mixed up in, with your tax-exempt bullshit. - Ed]
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